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The Nix Parking Lot Re: Rick Needham's Gif - A Second Car?  (Read 23621 times)

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I noticed this second car immediately on looking at Rick's latest gif in the JFK Bonus Materials thread.
Given the unknown then and now variables, I am still not convinced that we are not seeing the car as I have illustrated in the other thread.
I now see a second darker car near the first white colored car. The shadows coming from the car appear to be consistent with the direction of shadows cast on Nov 22nd 1963.
I have made an illustration using the last frame from Rick's animation, which to me appears to show a second car.
I'm reminded of the old saying..If it looks like a Duck, Walks like a Duck, Quacks like a Duck, Flies like a Duck, then it probably is a Duck.
In this case, we appear to have 2 Ducks, neither of them being lame.



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Nothing drops behind the fence. What you see as a drop is just an illusion caused by Nix's changing panning motion to the left and a lowering of his camera's lens's field of view in the panning process.
Other objects show the same illusion.


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Nothing drops behind the fence. What you see as a drop is just an illusion caused by Nix's changing panning motion to the left and a lowering of his camera's lens's field of view in the panning process.
Other objects show the same illusion.



I strongly disagree with you Duncan. Everything should drop the equal amount then. Everything. The white object seen to the upper left...I do believe that to be a car. It too should drop as you say, the same amount then. It does not.


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Everything does give the illusion of dropping Rick. It's just difficult to see everything because of the distortions in the blurred frames.


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Everything does give the illusion of dropping Rick. It's just difficult to see everything because of the distortions in the blurred frames.





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Everything does give the illusion of dropping Rick.

Not so. Only things which are actually moving are dropping. Basically everything else which appears to be moving can be attributed to Nix frame 094 which is very blurry. No illusions here. Your two arrows point to:

1. The very top of a human head behind the fence, movings downwards and back out of view.

2. The end of the "blurry" tree branch. It WAS breezy that day.


Nix frame 094 is considerably blurred when compared to the frame which precedes it...Nix 093.




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« Last Edit: April 20, 2009, 12:45:40 PM by Rick Needham »

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Duncan, Chris, Jerry, Robin and all.

Before we discuss this further, i like you to show the NIX frame 093 with a correct tilt.
I've stated earlier in this thread that Nix was holding the camera not straight which
is obvious to see at the lamp post. Elm slopes downwards also in reality.

Please look at it with an open mind and judge how that alleged car should have standing there on the surface.
Particular the angle. Was this alleged car lifted with a "car jack" (i don't if this word is correct) at
the front?

Thank you



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Please take also a look at the first Bond image after the assassination.

Miss Wilma Irene Bond and Mary Muchmore stood both very close to together
behind the north colonnades at Houston street.

Look in the attachement please.
There is a scan from RBT book "Pictures of the pain"
It shows the location of many filmer/photographer that day in DP.
Miis Bond height location is compareable with Nix.

Bond was actually a bit higher, because Nix had taken place a bit more west on the downward sloping Main street sidewalk.
Its most likely Miss Bond was not as tall as Orville Nix. Therefore the same height lense can be assumed. +/- a few inches.

Take a look behind the fence.
Where should be the car located? How would a well wheel to be in sight?

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Let's also compare a frame from the Hughes film to that of Nix frame 093. Hughes was shooting in nearly the exact location of Nix. If you'll note the freeway sign to the far left in both images, take note to where the top of that sign falls in relation to the stockade fence behind it. Also, the lamp post helps to verify an almost exact LOS to that of Nix. Also, the Cutler Plat puts Hughes just slightly west of the Nix location. At best, all we can see are the very tops of cars in Hughes too.

Another very important thing we need to consider in today's comparison of the car park area to that of 1963 is that today the car park is blacktopped...and who knows how many times in it's history since being so. This will make vehicles stand even taller above the fence line than they did back in 1963. Very, very important this is to remember.



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« Last Edit: April 20, 2009, 02:56:39 PM by Rick Needham »

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Well Martin,

I guess we're going to just have to be disappointed in each other. I apparently don't act right.

Yes Jerry, it seems to be. I acted not right too. My attitude is usually better. ;)

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And it seems that you don't want to answer some simple questions about your work.

No Jerry. I was yesterday too tired late in the night here in europe.

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For your information I have been to Dallas. I've stood in the locations of all the well-known photographers and as of 1998 it seemed to me that it would be possible to view a distant car and its wheel well over the Nix fence.

You have an outstanding memory to remember that it would be possible to view a distant car and its wheel well over the Nix fence some 11 years ago.

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That, and the fact that I've actually worked with the Drommer Survey is what led me to ask the questions in the first place. Because it was obvious to me that you had no actual data on which to base your cad rendering.

Mhh, i assume you read not all what i told in this thread and the other i've linked.
My basis was infact the  Drommer Survey map from 1978.

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Martin, most people here have been around forums for a long time. It's really obvious when someone changes the subject because they don't want to answer uncomfortable questions.  It's OK to admit a mistake. People respect that and I've admitted my share. But hiding behind outrage at my bad attitude is transparent to nearly everyone.  Just a reminder.....

It appears to me that you have an issue to answer uncomfortable questions.
Take a look at the Greer thread. Ive found the topic and edited my previous post.

It's OK to admit mistakes. I agree. I've did that in the past here. Are you able to do the same?
I'am hiding outrage behind at your bad attitude? Sorry i don't understand. :o

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"So, do you in fact actually know any elevations in the car park or have you just assumed some?  Do you in fact actually know Nix's elevation or have you assumed it. Have you, in any way shape or form, accounted for the fact that the size of the possible wheel well would indicate that the attached car was far from the fence?

As i said in my previous posting take a look at WC E 2118. Rails are designed to be flat. I gather meanwhile images from the parking lot from 1963.
They are growing more and more.
The Nix elevation? Look at all that great images from Robin Unger (i can thank Robin not enough for that)
Yes, the maximum location was some 45-50 yards behind the fence. I told that earlier. Have you not read that shock2

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You're the person who posted a photo showing almost an entire car over a higher portion of the fence than Nix's.

What? Where? An entire car incl. a wheel? You do hopefully not mean that image from 2007 where Duncan (no offense Duncan) have seen a car wheel?

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Yet, you're "certain" that it can't be a car in Nix. Why?

Yes, i said that now very often. And also why. Should i repeat?

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And because you're such an expert and because I really want to improve my skills can you please tell me the difference between the "heads" in Rick's photo and mine.  Because I'm just too dumb to see the distinction and I really, really need your help."

You mean that enhancing that i did with your software and Rick's. Is this correct?

Well, there is no difference as you see.
The difference between Ricks software and Photoshop regarding "smooth bicubic" filter is obsolete.
I hoped you understand my joke.

Thank you

and all the best

Martin


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Good observation Rick about the Hughes frame. 10fjyfjfyg

Thank you my friend. :D


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Nothing drops behind the fence. What you see as a drop is just an illusion caused by Nix's changing panning motion to the left and a lowering of his camera's lens's field of view in the panning process.
Other objects show the same illusion.


Duncan,

Very good work, convincing.


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Good observation Rick about the Hughes frame. 10fjyfjfyg

Thank you my friend. :D


No Martin, thank you  ;) For standing up for the real truth here and doing excellent, meaningful research... and not giving in to those who cannot and will not admit to their own mistakes.


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Nothing drops behind the fence. What you see as a drop is just an illusion caused by Nix's changing panning motion to the left and a lowering of his camera's lens's field of view in the panning process.
Other objects show the same illusion.




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Nothing drops behind the fence. What you see as a drop is just an illusion caused by Nix's changing panning motion to the left and a lowering of his camera's lens's field of view in the panning process.


Sorry Duncan, and no offense, but that statement right there is a lame duck, and one of desperation, IMHO.



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