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 April 18, 2009, 01:16:36 AM
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I noticed this second car immediately on looking at Rick's latest gif in the JFK Bonus Materials thread. Given the unknown then and now variables, I am still not convinced that we are not seeing the car as I have illustrated in the other thread. I now see a second darker car near the first white colored car. The shadows coming from the car appear to be consistent with the direction of shadows cast on Nov 22nd 1963. I have made an illustration using the last frame from Rick's animation, which to me appears to show a second car. I'm reminded of the old saying..If it looks like a Duck, Walks like a Duck, Quacks like a Duck, Flies like a Duck, then it probably is a Duck. In this case, we appear to have 2 Ducks, neither of them being lame. 
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April 22, 2009, 12:46:45 PM
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What struck me as odd is that it seems to have been taken at nearly the same time of day as was the assassination. What tells me so is that the freeway sign seen between Elm Street and
the stockade fence casts its shadow nearly identical in direction when compared to that seen in Nix frame 093. I know it's not EXACT, but very close. I then cut out a car
from Jerry's original image he posted...rotated it to match the "second car" Duncan says he sees in Nix frame 093...then pasted that car into the approx. location behind
the fence and in the Nix LOS. Please note the direction of this car's shadow....along with the direction of the freeway sign's shadow in the image below. Then look at Duncan's
animation of the "second car" he sees AND the direction he claims to be its shadow. Something is seriously wrong here. The simple solution is the "second car" that Duncan
says he sees in the Nix frame is really not a car at all, but the end of a foliage covered tree branch as I originally stated when confronted with Duncan's claims.
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April 22, 2009, 01:02:40 PM
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Rick, David and Duncan, thats too bad to hear about your losses. :-\ My condolence to you too. Life can be so hard. I lost my oldest brother 4 years on brain cancer. My mother 15 years ago on that  brain cancer too. Martin, You appear young to me. The loss of your mother and such a close sibling must have been nearly unbearable. I'm so sorry for your great loss. My very best to you, Jerry Thank you Jerry! I lost both much too early. Thank you from the the bottom of my heart. Martin
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April 22, 2009, 01:42:07 PM
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Good observation about the sun direction, Rick.
Til now i didn't pay attention on this.
Yes, it was approx.the same.
A car, even at a more west rotated direction and back towards the rails should be in shadow (the right side).
Thank you my friend. :)
Martin
Thank you Martin :D Here is a view of which car was selected from the original photograph before rotation & pasting into it's new location within the photo. Rick
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April 22, 2009, 08:45:36 PM
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Martin,
Just a comment on SM Holland. He is well known and has been hotly debated since the 1960's so I really, really don't want to start a Holland debate. But you should be aware that there are some questions about his statements.
First, he seems very convincing in the Mark Lane interview but he seems to tell a different story in his sworn statement to Dallas Sheriffs 11/22/63. And you'll notice that in the first part of Lane's interview, Lane is obviously aware of the sworn statement but never raises the differences between the story Holland is telling Lane and the story he told the Sheriffs Department.
Second, the worst witness in any circumstance is one that is sure of what he knows, but is mistaken. People are swayed by sincerity, but what if the witness is just wrong? I've attached a photo taken with Mr. Holland standing where he was that day. I'm sure you'll notice that the fence location where he now says the shots came from, (previously, he said they came from behind the arcade) is almost directly in line with the TSBD window. It seems almost impossible to me that someone who is hearing a shot for the first time (as per the Sheriffs statement) could tell the difference between those two locations.
As I said, there are many, many discussions of SM Holland and I just wanted you to be aware that there's more than one side to the story.
Best to you,
Jerry
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April 22, 2009, 09:14:07 PM
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Martin and Rick,
Just a quick note to make sure you understand what I've been writing about. I don't know where Duncan wants to put his car, but based on "wheel well" and "window" size I'd place it in the black circle below - right near where the tracks began to climb over the overpass in 1963.
Second, I noticed some interesting vehicles in the youtube Martin posted. I'm not saying this is what we see in Nix, I just want to draw your attention to the possibility of tall vehicles next to the tracks and vehicles parked parallel, rather than perpendicular to the tracks.
Best to you both,
Jerry
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April 22, 2009, 10:23:34 PM
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No problem Martin, It's in Robin's gallery. Here's the link. As a guest, you are not allowed to view links.
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April 22, 2009, 11:58:11 PM
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Rick, You can't make a judgement on shadows using a photograph that was taken at a different time of day some 40 plus years later. I have shown that the shadows on the second "car" are 100% consistent with the shadows coming from other cars in the parking lot at the time of the assassination. Sun shadows seen cast in any modern photograph corresponding to the exact moment in time from 1963 would not match.  Duncan, You say I can't make a judgment on shadows using a photo that was taken at a different time of day. How do you know it's timing is all that different? Could be nearly exact. Could be. I don't know the timing of Jerry's photograph any more than you don't know the timing of the photograph you're using, do you? I base my case on other shadows seen in Jerry's photograph as well, when compared to those seen in Nix...which we all know the timing of. Also...is there any way you could orient this black & white photo footprint (superimpose) over Jerry's so we know for certain just where in the rail yard/car park area this is for a better comparison? Thanks, Rick
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April 23, 2009, 01:13:11 AM
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The photograph I am using was taken within 10 minutes of the assassination, someone correct me if I am wrong... So any shadows seen here can be compared to the shadows seen in Nix. As you can see, the direction angle of the shadows which I have illustrated with the blue lines are 100% in line with the compared objects in both photographs, ie, Nix and Murray. Scaling comparison between the 2 cars is of no relevance, It makes no difference to the angle of the cast shadows at this moment in time. It's a simple law of nature. 
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