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 April 18, 2009, 01:16:36 AM
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I noticed this second car immediately on looking at Rick's latest gif in the JFK Bonus Materials thread. Given the unknown then and now variables, I am still not convinced that we are not seeing the car as I have illustrated in the other thread. I now see a second darker car near the first white colored car. The shadows coming from the car appear to be consistent with the direction of shadows cast on Nov 22nd 1963. I have made an illustration using the last frame from Rick's animation, which to me appears to show a second car. I'm reminded of the old saying..If it looks like a Duck, Walks like a Duck, Quacks like a Duck, Flies like a Duck, then it probably is a Duck. In this case, we appear to have 2 Ducks, neither of them being lame. 
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April 18, 2009, 01:51:57 AM
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I don't know if it's really worthwhile to do all that work.
You shocked me Duncan. Sorry
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April 18, 2009, 02:54:19 AM
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Duncan,
I'm sorry, but I think you're really grasping at straws here. The shape you've outlined as a "possible second car" is nothing
more than end of the tree branch of that larger tree close to the corner of the fence. Watch the area you've outlined as a second vehicle and you will see it's nothing more than the end of a foliage covered tree branch! You've selected Nix frame 093 for your
outline. That's the only frame which has that long white "slit" in it that you're calling a license plate. Must be a European car then. Never seen a license plate that long here in the United States shock2 Also, I don't agree with the shadow you've outlined. Shadows
should be falling in the general direction of Bower in the railyard tower. Correct me if I'm wrong...someone.
Also, here again is a smaller version, made probably 5 or 6 yrs. ago? Been awhile...can't remember exactly when I constructed this one roll
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April 18, 2009, 04:06:31 AM
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Duncan,
I'm sorry, but I think you're really grasping at straws here. The shape you've outlined as a "possible second car" is nothing
more than end of the tree branch of that larger tree close to the corner of the fence. Watch the area you've outlined as a second vehicle and you will see it's nothing more than the end of a foliage covered tree branch! You've selected Nix frame 093 for your
outline. That's the only frame which has that long white "slit" in it that you're calling a license plate. Must be a European car then. Never seen a license plate that long here in the United States shock2 Also, I don't agree with the shadow you've outlined. Shadows
should be falling in the general direction of Bower in the railyard tower. Correct me if I'm wrong...someone.
Rick
The shadows are consistent Rick. Also, What I called the licence plate, could also be the car bumper.  I'm not saying that I am correct, or that you and Martin are wrong, I just think it is best to explore every angle and possibility. Duncan
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April 18, 2009, 05:48:05 AM
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Well Duncan, I've given you 22 frames other frames not including Nix frame 093 in my animation.
In how many of these other 22 frames do you see a second car? Also, if that's a car bumper rather
than a license plate, where is it in the remaining 22 frames? I see no defined "wheel", I'm sorry.
Drawn in outlines are decieving to the brain. They make us want to believe that we're seeing such things.
Take them away and you have nothing decernable, IMO. I have never once outlined this man who is
seen moving behind the fence. Never felt the need to do so. The top of his head is right there clearly
in the last few frames as we see his head begin to bob up. Frames prior to that we see "glimpses" of
the "very top" of his head. With the fence being only 5 feet in height, he's ducked down most of the time,
just behind it...as he is most likely disassembling his weapon....which we DO catch glimpses of as well.
It's there. I can see it. hat;;
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April 18, 2009, 07:11:42 AM
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Well Duncan, I've given you 22 frames other frames not including Nix frame 093 in my animation.
In how many of these other 22 frames do you see a second car? Also, if that's a car bumper rather
than a license plate, where is it in the remaining 22 frames? I see no defined "wheel", I'm sorry.
Drawn in outlines are decieving to the brain. They make us want to believe that we're seeing such things.
Take them away and you have nothing decernable, IMO. I have never once outlined this man who is
seen moving behind the fence. Never felt the need I had too. He's there hat;;
Rick
I see the 2nd car and the bumper in all of them, as well as I can see anything else in the blurry Nix frames. The last frame of your gif is IMO, the only frame where we can see anything with a semblance of clarity, and to me it appears to show 2 cars, with the dark car showing a shadow which is 100% consistent and exactly what we would expect to see if it was a car in that position. 
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April 18, 2009, 08:27:19 AM
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Duncan,
Your cream colored car as you say at a side view....that cream color is the sunlit dirt of the carpark area behind the fence. The white top
you see on your cream colored car is in fact a car...seen parked in a approx. 11 o'clock/5 o'clock angle. It's distant, because that cream colored area is in fact the sunlit "roadway" (dirt area) between the angled designated aisles of the carpark. Please see the many pictures in the other thread in the other forum. Why no cars immediately behind the fence? Martin proved that it cannot be possible...given the elevations seen from the Nix position he filmed from (lens height)....and the fact the fence was 5' high. There is no way possible that is a cream colored car....THAT BIG just behind the fence. There is serious size issues here! And why is there no wheel seen on that car until Nix frame 093 if we are seeing it in a side view?
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Actually, per Duncan, it's extremely unlikely that the cream color is sunlit dirt. Note that the other gaps above the fence show a much whiter white. Therefore the cream color is an object, not dirt. Jerry
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April 18, 2009, 09:03:22 AM
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Duncan,
Your cream colored car as you say at a side view....that cream color is the sunlit dirt of the carpark area behind the fence. The white top
you see on your cream colored car is in fact a car...seen parked in a approx. 11 o'clock/5 o'clock angle. It's distant, because that cream colored area is in fact the sunlit "roadway" (dirt area) between the angled designated aisles of the carpark. Please see the many pictures in the other thread in the other forum. Why no cars immediately behind the fence? Martin proved that it cannot be possible...given the elevations seen from the Nix position he filmed from (lens height)....and the fact the fence was 5' high. There is no way possible that is a cream colored car....THAT BIG just behind the fence. There is serious size issues here! And why is there no wheel seen on that car until Nix frame 093 if we are seeing it in a side view?
Rick
Actually, per Duncan, it's extremely unlikely that the cream color is sunlit dirt. Note that the other gaps above the fence show a much whiter white. Therefore the cream color is an object, not dirt. Jerry Jerry, Are you then saying the much whiter white is then the sunlit "dirt" in the carpark area? Rick
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April 18, 2009, 11:09:29 AM
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Gary Mack will be going to the exact Nix location in about an hours time to check if cars are visible in the car park from the exact Nix location. The car park is currently full. I will post his findings as soon as I have them.
Duncan, That's first rate! Mr. Mack might also want to check on the possibility of seeing the roof or trunk of a car parked at the fence where Nix's LOS passes over the fence. Holland put a tan Oldsmobile station at that point so it's possible we might be seeing tree shadows playing on the trunk-roof surface. Jerry
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April 18, 2009, 11:21:53 AM
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Gary Mack will be going to the exact Nix location in about an hours time to check if cars are visible in the car park from the exact Nix location. The car park is currently full. I will post his findings as soon as I have them.
Duncan, That's great that Gary Mack is willing to do this for us :D I'm sure cars may be visible, but just how far back those cars are which can be seen is vitally important. Thank you Gary for doing this for us ;) Rick
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