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 February 06, 2012, 04:27:11 PM
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I'm sure this has been debated many times before prior to me being on this site but i was just reviewing statements made by Jack Ruby i believe to journalist Harry Kendall in 1965 possibly at the time of his appeal(please correct if this is wrong).
RUBY "Everything pertaining to whats happening has never come to the surface. The world will never know the true facts, of what occured, my motive, in other words, i'm the only person in the background who knows the truth pertaining everything relative to my circumstancies. The people had, that had so much to gain and had such an ulterior motive for putting me in the position I'm in, will never let the true facts come above board to the world"
MARSHALL "Are these people in very high positions Jack ? "
RUBY "Yes"
Thats some statement, what or who is Ruby refering to ? "The people had,that had so much to gain for putting me in the situation i'm in" would seem to indicate he did not act on impulse but on orders or instructions from elsewhere. He also had no hesitation in answering "yes " in what i would describe as a resigned manner.
Perhaps some have you have looked at this previously in some detail and can put some 'meat on the bone' for me ?
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February 06, 2012, 04:35:57 PM
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I just recently read the same Ruby statement for the first time. I am sure he is referring to the person in high places as LBJ. I am not sure if the readers are believers of the things Maddie Duncan Brown said in her interview but she describes Ruby as "my buddie". She says he was the man to call if you wanted anything done in Dallas. "You could get someone whipped for $15 dollars or killed for 20". Ruby knew Oswald well.
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February 06, 2012, 05:42:56 PM
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Logic tells me that Ruby had been set up.
Perhaps he and others were led to believe that perhaps a shot would be fired at the motorcade. A "patsy" would be killed shortly after resisting arrest by DPD's finest. The evidence would indidcate that this "patsy" was pro-Castro.
Ruby was going to be fingered as a conspirator after the patsy survived and was arrested. His gun-running record to Cuba could easilly make him look pro-Castro as well.
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February 06, 2012, 08:00:33 PM
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I just recently read the same Ruby statement for the first time. I am sure he is referring to the person in high places as LBJ. I am not sure if the readers are believers of the things Maddie Duncan Brown said in her interview but she describes Ruby as "my buddie". She says he was the man to call if you wanted anything done in Dallas. "You could get someone whipped for $15 dollars or killed for 20". Ruby knew Oswald well.
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February 06, 2012, 08:38:36 PM
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Jacks mental state at this stage was deteriorating (also remember his allegation that he had been injected with live cancer cells to kill him) and i hold the view these were just "ramblings" of a man sliding into mental deterioration. When you actually analyse his words - they dont come across as having any assertiveness or serious conviction. I interpret them as ramblings - nothing more than that.
Perhaps he simply wanted to inject some additional intrigue into his situation - simply to gain peoples continuing attention. Just an extra 15 minutes of fame for this long time loser.
And for interest, i can advise that i have previously discussed the "injection of live cancer cells" with a cancer specialist and he advised me that such an activity would not be sussessful because of body rejection issues. Its not as simple as passing a cold from one person to another.
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Mike ONeill
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February 06, 2012, 08:50:33 PM
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There is a taped interview of him saying this out there. I am also intrigue about why he would say that. but remember he wanted to be taken to Washington to speak. He felt he could not speak his mind where he was in Dallas. If had Warren taken Ruby to Washington maybe things would be different in what we know aout the assassination.
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February 06, 2012, 09:13:52 PM
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There is a taped interview of him saying this out there. I am also intrigue about why he would say that. but remember he wanted to be taken to Washington to speak. He felt he could not speak his mind where he was in Dallas. If had Warren taken Ruby to Washington maybe things would be different in what we know aout the assassination.
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February 06, 2012, 09:27:02 PM
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I guess the only claims we have of a Ruby-Oswald connection is from people apparently in the Carosel Club when the two met. Also from a second source, John Elrod, who spoke of a meeting between the two. The evidence is probably scant and not what you would call credible Paul. (rightfully so). I backoff on my previous statement of "knew him well" and amend it to read "may have know" according to a couple of questionable sources.
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February 06, 2012, 09:37:42 PM
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I guess the only claims we have of a Ruby-Oswald connection is from people apparently in the Carosel Club when the two met. Also from a second source, John Elrod, who spoke of a meeting between the two. The evidence is probably scant and not what you would call credible Paul. (rightfully so). I backoff on my previous statement of "knew him well" and amend it to read "may have know" according to a couple of questionable sources.
Russell, credible evidence when it comes from witness testimony/statements in this case, whether pro or con conspiracy are never credible. That's the point. Bias always rears its' ugly head. I decided years ago to ignore all witness testimony/statements and rely solely on physical/ballistic evidence which trumps witness testimony every single time.
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February 06, 2012, 10:10:45 PM
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yes it is a shame eyewitnesses are so unreliable as a whole. That makes the ones that are good eyewitnesses unbelieved. I wish I had a good enough background in math and angles, etc.. to make relative comments on ballistics and forensics. Maybe I will learn here.
When Maddie Duncan Brown was asked why her interview was never in the forefront of assassination discussion, she replied she was always told that people wanted to focus on something that could be proven. Empircism is great but the ability to use logic and reason is also important. I think conclusions can be drawn but as previously said not on the basis of eye-, earwitnesses.
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February 06, 2012, 10:14:30 PM
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The man was a walking contradiction.
"RUBY "Everything pertaining to whats happening has never come to the surface. The world will never know the true facts, of what occured, my motive, in other words, i'm the only person in the background who knows the truth pertaining everything relative to my circumstancies."
-this statement reeks of a lone killer, at least to me it does.
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- then, the VERY NEXT sentence, suddenly he's talking conspiracy:
" The people had, that had so much to gain and had such an ulterior motive for putting me in the position I'm in, will never let the true facts come above board to the world"
As I have looked over the stuff he said, I think Jack Ruby changed his story often, probably based on what he thought the interviewer wanted to hear. Someone ought to start a thread (maybe me?) with a list of Jack Ruby quotes, ones that contradict other things he also said.
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"you're the cop, you figure it out"
-Lee H. Oswald to Dallas Police detectives, weekend
of 11-22-63.
"Part of the reason why we avoided talking about this thing, because every time you say something, somebody misinterprets what you say."
-James. J. Humes, excerpt of ARRB statement, 2-13-96
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February 06, 2012, 11:20:28 PM
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The man was a walking contradiction.
"RUBY "Everything pertaining to whats happening has never come to the surface. The world will never know the true facts, of what occured, my motive, in other words, i'm the only person in the background who knows the truth pertaining everything relative to my circumstancies."
-this statement reeks of a lone killer, at least to me it does.
Do you also believe in the tooth fairy, Geoff? 
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