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I wonder if by mid 1963 Oswald had more motive to assassinate Castro than Kennedy. If he was a devoted Marxist he would surely be concerned about the growing influence of the Russians over the Cuban people. The CMC certainly put the Cuban people in jeopardy given Castro's decision to allow the missiles to be stationed in Cuba. He was clearly disenchanted with the Soviets. The idealistic society envisioned in 1959 was no more. Would this explain his shot at Walker, PCC activities in NO, trip to Mexico and visit to Odio? All designed to get him entry and favor with Fidel in order to put him in a position where he could stop Fidel and allow the ideals of the revolution to re-establish.
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February 06, 2012, 07:07:39 AM
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I believe Oswald was pro-Castro.
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February 06, 2012, 07:17:02 AM
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I believe Oswald was pro-Castro.
Do you think he was pro-Russia in 1963? Many in the US thought Kennedy was pro-Castro also.
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February 06, 2012, 08:24:44 AM
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I believe Oswald was pro-Castro.
That and being a "defector", thus a "traitor" and a "communist sypathizer" would make Oswald a lot of enemies in Dallas Texas. And would make an ex CIA cuban/ mafia, who survived Bay of Pigs extremely angry, if it were also found out that Oswald was an informant and was infiltrating anti Castro Cuban groups. The same CIA cuban (s) with motive enough to want to kill JFK in the manner of public execution by rifle shot. So Oswald was set up just for revenge sake, coincidentally having a job at TSBD. If Oswald had been working at some other building along the parade route, most likely THATs where the execution would have occurred, and thats where the rifle would be found, in that building. Since Oswald had views about ending segregation also, a view contrary to the prevailing views of DPD, and even SS agents, according to both Roger Craig, and Andrew Bolden, it might not have been too difficult to persuade DPD officers to go along with the view that the "commie traitor" must have done it. So Fritz,Wietzman, Boone, Baker, in fact just about everyone, except the dissenting Craig, went along with the story. And Craig and Bolden, were taken care of, one ultimately commiting "suicide" and the other being locked away in solitary confinement after being set up as"counterfeiting". And along with lots of other witnesses intimidated, at least one we know of(Warren) given a call by General Walker before he was to testify, and others dieing in unusual ways, like chop to the throat, shotgun in mouth, or hanging themselves while in jail, pretty much sums up the coersion that was going on at the time. Explains witnesses who decided to go along and pick out Oswald in the lineup, even though their testimony of description of shooter at Tippet scene does not match Oswald. Explains Markam repeatedly saying no, did not recognize anyone, but in the end, decides yes it must have been Oswald. Explains Brennan deciding that even though previously he could not ID Oswald, that yes, now he could since WC was making this the story.
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February 06, 2012, 09:21:13 AM
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Hey Zeon, baby steps......
Ok. David Morales.
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February 06, 2012, 01:04:41 PM
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So Oswald was set up just for revenge sake, coincidentally having a job at TSBD. Not co-incidentally, Zeon. He was placed there by Mrs Paine.
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February 06, 2012, 04:13:04 PM
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Oswald was a live wire. I do wonder what he might have done had the JFK motorcade never driven by his building. Marina said he planned to hijack an airplane to Cuba. The fact that he already had attempted to shoot Walker is evidence that he had gone over the top and was a dangerous guy. I think he does something violent or ends up killing himself. Maybe he just goes postal one day. However, no reason to believe he posed any danger to Castro. As an anti-social Oswald connected with Castro as the antithesis of American culture. Oswald was a professional outsider. Castro represented a kind of anti-hero for him.
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February 06, 2012, 04:34:47 PM
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Oswald was a live wire. I do wonder what he might have done had the JFK motorcade never driven by his building. Marina said he planned to hijack an airplane to Cuba. The fact that he already had attempted to shoot Walker is evidence that he had gone over the top and was a dangerous guy. I think he does something violent or ends up killing himself. Maybe he just goes postal one day. However, no reason to believe he posed any danger to Castro. As an anti-social Oswald connected with Castro as the antithesis of American culture. Oswald was a professional outsider. Castro represented a kind of anti-hero for him.
The Oswald we see in the famous TV interview in New Orleans appears as an idealist. Let's assume he is genuine. He is a committed Marxist he has tried Russia and seen the failed system with his own eyes. He returns to the USA as Russia has nothing for him, full of petty officials. His hope for the ideal society now turns to Cuba, fresh from a popular people's uprising. However, what does he see? The increasing reliance of Castro on the Soviets. The BOP and then the inevitable discovery of Soviet missiles leading to the CMC. Surely Castro is losing his appeal for Oswald the idealist, the revolution has sold out to a failed soviet system he is disillusioned with. Taking out the President, especially JFK, who could hardly be seen as hard line on Cuba by most, does little to change things. However, elections in Cuba are not going to happen for some time......perhaps if Castro is removed he could reverse the Moscow trend. His desire to enter Cuba at all costs takes on a new light. He needs to enamour himself to Cuba in order to enter. The Walker shooting, FPCC activity, street fights, radio and TV, Mexico visit.......all can be seen as designed to get to Havana. Hijack a plane maybe.
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February 06, 2012, 05:04:06 PM
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The Oswald we see in the famous TV interview in New Orleans appears as an idealist. Let's assume he is genuine. He is a committed Marxist he has tried Russia and seen the failed system with his own eyes. He returns to the USA as Russia has nothing for him, full of petty officials. His hope for the ideal society now turns to Cuba, fresh from a popular people's uprising. However, what does he see? The increasing reliance of Castro on the Soviets. The BOP and then the inevitable discovery of Soviet missiles leading to the CMC. Surely Castro is losing his appeal for Oswald the idealist, the revolution has sold out to a failed soviet system he is disillusioned with. Taking out the President, especially JFK, who could hardly be seen as hard line on Cuba by most, does little to change things. However, elections in Cuba are not going to happen for some time......perhaps if Castro is removed he could reverse the Moscow trend. His desire to enter Cuba at all costs takes on a new light. He needs to enamour himself to Cuba in order to enter. The Walker shooting, FPCC activity, street fights, radio and TV, Mexico visit.......all can be seen as designed to get to Havana. Hijack a plane maybe.
I tend to doubt how genuine or sophisticated Oswald was in his political beliefs. They derived from his desire to be someone different. His brother said something along the lines of if most Americans had been Marxists, Lee would have acted like a typical American. Several of the publications that Oswald did read in the weeks before the assassination carried anti-JFK stories relating to his policies in Cuba. If anything, it appears that Oswald maintained a high regard for Castro. Marina confirms that was the case and he apparently chose his alias as a play on Fidel. No doubt Oswald, as a lifelong outsider, would have been disillusioned by Castro's Cuba if he ever made it there. But in '63 Dallas, I think he still held Castro in high regard.
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February 06, 2012, 05:46:12 PM
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That and being a "defector", thus a "traitor" and a "communist sypathizer" would make Oswald a lot of enemies in Dallas Texas. And would make an ex CIA cuban/ mafia, who survived Bay of Pigs extremely angry, if it were also found out that Oswald was an informant and was infiltrating anti Castro Cuban groups. The same CIA cuban (s) with motive enough to want to kill JFK in the manner of public execution by rifle shot. So Oswald was set up just for revenge sake, coincidentally having a job at TSBD.
If Oswald had been working at some other building along the parade route, most likely THATs where the execution would have occurred, and thats where the rifle would be found, in that building.
Since Oswald had views about ending segregation also, a view contrary to the prevailing views of DPD, and even SS agents, according to both Roger Craig, and Andrew Bolden, it might not have been too difficult to persuade DPD officers to go along with the view that the "commie traitor" must have done it. So Fritz,Wietzman, Boone, Baker, in fact just about everyone, except the dissenting Craig, went along with the story. And Craig and Bolden, were taken care of, one ultimately commiting "suicide" and the other being locked away in solitary confinement after being set up as"counterfeiting".
And along with lots of other witnesses intimidated, at least one we know of(Warren) given a call by General Walker before he was to testify, and others dieing in unusual ways, like chop to the throat, shotgun in mouth, or hanging themselves while in jail, pretty much sums up the coersion that was going on at the time. Explains witnesses who decided to go along and pick out Oswald in the lineup, even though their testimony of description of shooter at Tippet scene does not match Oswald. Explains Markam repeatedly saying no, did not recognize anyone, but in the end, decides yes it must have been Oswald. Explains Brennan deciding that even though previously he could not ID Oswald, that yes, now he could since WC was making this the story.
Zeon - I have wondered for a long time if a certain AJ Hidell worked at Love Field or the Trade Mart. If the rain had continued that morning, none of us would have ever heard of the TSBD and Dealey Plaza.
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February 06, 2012, 06:58:11 PM
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I believe Oswald was pro-Castro.
You also believe the SBT actually happened too! LOL! Enough said about your "beliefs"! Next?
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