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Well, somebody did it.
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It has been concluded by a committee of members here that the incident never happened. You are no longer allowed to use it in any theory , conspiracy or otherwise.
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LN; So how did it happen then ?
CT; I don't know, I only know that it didn't happen the way the evidence says.
LN; We should not use evidence in this case ?
CT; Correct.
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February 06, 2012, 01:24:40 PM
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The Top Ten Records story also provided and explanation for the missed call from dispatch......oh well.
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February 06, 2012, 06:12:00 PM
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If Stark and Cortinas made this up, I'm impressed with the details:
Cortinas said he “was behind the counter at the Top Ten Record Shop, 338 W. Jefferson Blvd., on Nov. 22, 1963. Police officer J.D. Tippit parked his car on Bishop Street, apparently heading north, and came into the shop in a hurry and asked Cortinas if he could use the phone at the counter.” Cortinas said he recalls “ Tippit being in such a hurry that he had to ask people in the narrow aisle to step aside.”
“Tippit said nothing over the phone, apparently not getting an answer. Cortinas said he stood there long enough for it to ring about 7 or 8 times. Tippit hung up the phone and walked off fast he was worried or upset about something” Cortinas said.
“Tippit sped away in his squad car across Jefferson down Bishop to Sunset, where he ran a stop sign and turned right down Sunset.” Cortinas “could not determine whether he had anyone else in his car.”
“Maybe 10, no more than 10 minutes Tippit had left when I heard he had been shot on the radio.” Cortinas said. Cortinas then “Drove off in Dub Stark’s new car down Sunset, across Zang and up Tenth. He noticed the commotion around Texas Theatre and got out of the car in time to see police taking Oswald out of theatre. People were trying to strike Oswald and spit at him but contrary to some stories he didn’t say a thing as police escorted him to a squad car and literally threw him in, bumping his head hard on the door.”
Cortinas “then drove on to Parkland and stood with other people looking.
Cortinas said “Tippit would come into the record shop occasionally to use the phone while on duty.” Cortinas who was 36 years old this past October would have been 18 in 1963. He “knew Tippit to talk to from other experience, having been ticketed many times for drag racing near Austin’s Barbecue.” Cortinas also knew Tippit from seeing him at Austin’s, where he knew the waitress he thought Tippit was having an affair with.”
He also “saw Tippit as a security guard or bouncer at Ship’s, a private club in the 2100 block of Fort Worth Avenue and at the Theatre Lounge strip joint run by Barney L. Weinstein at 1326 Jackson.”
Cortinas recalls “trying to get into Ship’s under age early in 1960’s when he spotted Tippit sitting in a raised portion of the entranceway to check people coming in. He and other boys climbed onto the roof of the Theatre Lounge to watch the girls through a skylight, also in the early 1960’s” He remembered “Chris Colt’s 45 from there”
“Tippit was an odd guy,” Cortinas said “Some times I would come into Austin’s with my girlfriend and tap him on the shoulder and he would turn around and shake hands and act like a good friend. Other times when I did that, he turned around and gave me a look like he didn’t know me and didn’t want to know me.”
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February 06, 2012, 06:45:01 PM
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It has been concluded by a committee of members here that the incident never happened. You are no longer allowed to use it in any theory , conspiracy or otherwise.
Was this a committee of people using their real names or fake names while pretending to be other people? Just wondering?
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February 06, 2012, 07:55:42 PM
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What if it was Tippit outside the boarding house, completely by coincidence? And Oswald was paranoid, fleeing. The reason he shoots Tippit and has Whaley drive past the boarding house is because Tippit just happened to be parked there, and then runs into Oswald while patrolling Oak Cliff?
Just some speculation.
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February 06, 2012, 09:15:10 PM
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Cortinas said “Tippit would come into the record shop occasionally to use the phone while on duty.”
Come on, Joe. This is an obvious lie by Cortinas. Tippit was not patroling his regular district when he was killed. I'd be willing to bet that when Cortinas made this claim back in 1981, he was unaware that Tippit had been moved out of his regular patrol district after the assassination. I'd bet that Cortinas assumed (incorrectly) that Tippit was patroling his normal district when he was gunned down by Oswald. In other words, the Top Ten Record Shop was not in Tippit's regular patrol district, so he could not have used the phone in the store occasionally while on duty. This is a definite slip by Cortinas.
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February 06, 2012, 09:21:03 PM
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Come on, Joe. This is an obvious lie by Cortinas. Tippit was not patroling his regular district when he was killed. I'd be willing to bet that when Cortinas made this claim back in 1981, he was unaware that Tippit had been moved out of his regular patrol district after the assassination. I'd bet that Cortinas assumed (incorrectly) that Tippit was patroling his normal district when he was gunned down by Oswald.
Oak Cliff was JD's former beat.
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February 06, 2012, 09:30:15 PM
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Oak Cliff was JD's former beat.
Go on. I'm listening.
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February 06, 2012, 09:33:15 PM
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“Maybe 10, no more than 10 minutes Tippit had left when I heard he had been shot on the radio.” Cortinas said. Cortinas then “Drove off in Dub Stark’s new car down Sunset, across Zang and up Tenth. He noticed the commotion around Texas Theatre and got out of the car in time to see police taking Oswald out of theatre. People were trying to strike Oswald and spit at him but contrary to some stories he didn’t say a thing as police escorted him to a squad car and literally threw him in, bumping his head hard on the door.”
This is another lie by Cortinas. The shooting of a police officer was not announced over the air until 1:35. For Cortinas' statement to be true, Tippit would have had to stop in the store and make the phone call at around 1:25, obviously impossible. Surely we do not need to discuss where Tippit's body was at 1:25.
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February 06, 2012, 10:14:01 PM
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Go on. I'm listening.
He was well known in the area - per Davis, Scoggins, Clemons...............
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February 06, 2012, 10:54:40 PM
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Burt calls him Officer Friendly........ As a guest, you are not allowed to view links.
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February 06, 2012, 10:59:12 PM
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What if it was Tippit outside the boarding house, completely by coincidence? And Oswald was paranoid, fleeing. The reason he shoots Tippit and has Whaley drive past the boarding house is because Tippit just happened to be parked there, and then runs into Oswald while patrolling Oak Cliff?
Just some speculation.
Really? No comments on the idea that Tippit's patrol car is the reason the cab drops Oswald off a few blocks away? And then Oswald shoots Tippit because he thinks he's been had? Not a single one? Hell, it doesn't even have to be Tippit's patrol car.
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February 06, 2012, 11:08:47 PM
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Really? No comments on the idea that Tippit's patrol car is the reason the cab drops Oswald off a few blocks away? And then Oswald shoots Tippit because he thinks he's been had? Not a single one? Hell, it doesn't even have to be Tippit's patrol car.
Maybe you should check Whalley's WC testimony. Oswald asked him to take him to the 500 Block on North Beckley before they drive past.
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