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 February 04, 2012, 06:36:54 AM
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Can I get a "show of hands" of those who believe that the wallet found at the Tippit scene was an Oswald wallet? I believe that the wallet belonged to Tippit. Who here believes that the wallet was an Oswald wallet, either left by Oswald himself or left behind by others in an attempt to frame Oswald?
I have seen certain CT's on this forum (David Josephs, Miles Scull) either question the owner of the wallet (or outright claim that it was an Oswald wallet left behind in an attempt to frame the patsy).
I believe that the wallet simply belonged to Tippit. Who disagrees with me?
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February 04, 2012, 07:07:52 AM
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Can I get a "show of hands" of those who believe that the wallet found at the Tippit scene was an Oswald wallet? I believe that the wallet belonged to Tippit. Who here believes that the wallet was an Oswald wallet, either left by Oswald himself or left behind by others in an attempt to frame Oswald?
I have seen certain CT's on this forum (David Josephs, Miles Scull) either question the owner of the wallet (or outright claim that it was an Oswald wallet left behind in an attempt to frame the patsy).
I believe that the wallet simply belonged to Tippit. Who disagrees with me?
I totally agree that Tippit owned it. It looks more like a ticket book or notebook rather than a wallet to me though.  Since it was never entered into evidence its just as likely that someone at the scene rustling around could have dropped it and after inspection by the cops, simply handed it back to them. Hosty's story about the wallet is shaky. He said its in the archives and although it was Oswalds wallet, it was never identified. I think he cooked up the Barnett story to sell books, personally.
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February 04, 2012, 07:19:50 AM
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I totally agree Tippit that owned it. It looks more like a ticket book or notebook rather than a wallet to me though. Since it was never entered into evidence its just as likely that someone at the scene rustling around could have dropped it and after inspection by the cops, simply handed it back to them. Hosty's story about the wallet is shaky. He said its in the archives and although it was Oswalds wallet, it was never identified. I think he cooked up the Barnett story to sell books, personally. Hi Mike, I think you mean FBI agent Robert Barrett (as opposed to "Barnett"). Barrett is probably misremembering the events surrounding the wallet and when it was exactly that he heard the names "Oswald" and "Hidell". I don't believe Hosty "cooked up" the story to sell a book, but I do believe that Hosty took the misremembering of events by Barrett and formed a complete hypothesis based on Barrett's faulty memory.
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February 04, 2012, 07:20:13 AM
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Register or LoginBOCHAN: One of the incredible passages in the book was your mentioning that Officer Barrett found Oswald's wallet
at the site of the Tippit slaying.HOSTY: Yes, you know that they have found newsreels, tv shots taken that day, at the Tippit scene, showing the police looking at a wallet and showing Barrett in the background. BOCHAN: Really? HOSTY: Yes. Now they have not been able to identity
positively - they have looked at the wallet in the Archives
- and they can't make an identification ... it's very
similar ... but there was a wallet at the scene; it shows the police looking at a wallet, and holding Officer Tippit's revolver. Now, there was a wallet there and Barret was there. BOCHAN: Now that's very interesting because as you may know, Paul Bentley ... HOSTY: I know he does. Unless there were two wallets. But Barret insists that Westbrook asked him, 'did he know a "Lee Oswald" or a "AJ Hidell"?' And he says he asked him there at the scene. And that proves that Barrett was at the scene at it proves that they were looking at a wallet. BOCHAN: Why do you suppose that this wasn't announced back then? I mean that would have cemented things as far as Oswald being at the Tippit murder scene ... HOSTY: I know. Well, as Barrett said, after Oswald was killed, the whole thing became moot. And a, they had a slam dunk case on him anyway, they had five witnesses who said they saw Oswald shoot Tippit. I know there was one witness that the buffs talks about that came on the scene several minutes later, and said that she saw two people leaving ...
Why would the wallet be in the Archives if it wasnt entered into evidence??
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February 04, 2012, 09:09:15 AM
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Register or LoginBOCHAN: One of the incredible passages in the book was your mentioning that Officer Barrett found Oswald's wallet
at the site of the Tippit slaying.HOSTY: Yes, you know that they have found newsreels, tv shots taken that day, at the Tippit scene, showing the police looking at a wallet and showing Barrett in the background. BOCHAN: Really? HOSTY: Yes. Now they have not been able to identity
positively - they have looked at the wallet in the Archives
- and they can't make an identification ... it's very
similar ... but there was a wallet at the scene; it shows the police looking at a wallet, and holding Officer Tippit's revolver. Now, there was a wallet there and Barret was there. BOCHAN: Now that's very interesting because as you may know, Paul Bentley ... HOSTY: I know he does. Unless there were two wallets. But Barret insists that Westbrook asked him, 'did he know a "Lee Oswald" or a "AJ Hidell"?' And he says he asked him there at the scene. And that proves that Barrett was at the scene at it proves that they were looking at a wallet. BOCHAN: Why do you suppose that this wasn't announced back then? I mean that would have cemented things as far as Oswald being at the Tippit murder scene ... HOSTY: I know. Well, as Barrett said, after Oswald was killed, the whole thing became moot. And a, they had a slam dunk case on him anyway, they had five witnesses who said they saw Oswald shoot Tippit. I know there was one witness that the buffs talks about that came on the scene several minutes later, and said that she saw two people leaving ...
Why would the wallet be in the Archives if it wasnt entered into evidence??Tippit's wallet, the one found at the scene, is not in the National Archives. The only three wallets listed are the one taken from Oswald upon arrest, one found in his belongings at the Paine house and one of Marina's "wallets", if you will.
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February 04, 2012, 01:26:12 PM
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Register or LoginBOCHAN: One of the incredible passages in the book was your mentioning that Officer Barrett found Oswald's wallet
at the site of the Tippit slaying.HOSTY: Yes, you know that they have found newsreels, tv shots taken that day, at the Tippit scene, showing the police looking at a wallet and showing Barrett in the background. BOCHAN: Really? HOSTY: Yes. Now they have not been able to identity
positively - they have looked at the wallet in the Archives
- and they can't make an identification ... it's very
similar ... but there was a wallet at the scene; it shows the police looking at a wallet, and holding Officer Tippit's revolver. Now, there was a wallet there and Barret was there. BOCHAN: Now that's very interesting because as you may know, Paul Bentley ... HOSTY: I know he does. Unless there were two wallets. But Barret insists that Westbrook asked him, 'did he know a "Lee Oswald" or a "AJ Hidell"?' And he says he asked him there at the scene. And that proves that Barrett was at the scene at it proves that they were looking at a wallet. BOCHAN: Why do you suppose that this wasn't announced back then? I mean that would have cemented things as far as Oswald being at the Tippit murder scene ... HOSTY: I know. Well, as Barrett said, after Oswald was killed, the whole thing became moot. And a, they had a slam dunk case on him anyway, they had five witnesses who said they saw Oswald shoot Tippit. I know there was one witness that the buffs talks about that came on the scene several minutes later, and said that she saw two people leaving ...
Why would the wallet be in the Archives if it wasnt entered into evidence??This entire passage is hearsay if brought in to court. Hosty is one of those people who I would not trust the word of, Not for anything about this case. If there is a sinlge FBI sort who has a motive to CYA it is Hosty. As I believe there was deliberate cleansing going on, distancing their closeness, etc. Hosty is among those at the center of the ring, when it comes to who dropped the ball on Oswald that day. The photograph does not appear to show a wallet to me either, but instead a pocket sized note pad.
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"you're the cop, you figure it out"
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February 04, 2012, 02:40:27 PM
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Can I get a "show of hands" of those who believe that the wallet found at the Tippit scene was an Oswald wallet? After seeing all the evidence I have to say that I find it pretty inconclusive as to who exactly owned the wallet. Belief is for the birds. Cheers.
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February 04, 2012, 02:58:32 PM
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Why would Barrett and the DPD spend more than 5 seconds looking at the wallet if it was Tippit's?
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February 04, 2012, 03:47:06 PM
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Maybe the multiple wallet trick fools the fools we shall see?
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February 04, 2012, 06:00:06 PM
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This entire passage is hearsay if brought in to court. Hosty is one of those people who I would not trust the word of, Not for anything about this case. If there is a sinlge FBI sort who has a motive to CYA it is Hosty. As I believe there was deliberate cleansing going on, distancing their closeness, etc. Hosty is among those at the center of the ring, when it comes to who dropped the ball on Oswald that day.
The photograph does not appear to show a wallet to me either, but instead a pocket sized note pad.
The interview this passage is from came just after his appearance at the ARRB Hearings at the National Archives...He says the wallet is there and we know its not and never was. Why even say this? This simple statement makes no sense to me.... "Now they have not been able to identity positively - they have looked at the wallet in the Archives - and they can't make an identification ... it's very similar .." Who are "they"??
Why cant "they" identify it if he says its Oswalds wallet?
The wallet looks similar to what??..Oswalds wallet?
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February 04, 2012, 06:29:30 PM
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The interview this passage is from came just after his appearance at the ARRB Hearings at the National Archives...He says the wallet is there and we know its not and never was. Why even say this? This simple statement makes no sense to me....
"Now they have not been able to identity
positively - they have looked at the wallet in the Archives
- and they can't make an identification ... it's very
similar .."
Who are "they"??
Why cant "they" identify it if he says its Oswalds wallet?
The wallet looks similar to what??..Oswalds wallet?
I'm reasonably sure Hosty was still muddying the waters at that time for reasons Geoff has stated. Hosty is the weak link in the weakest agency investigating the events of 11/22/63.
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