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Well, Bill FAILED the first request miserably, huh? He couldn't cite one piece of evidence showing LHO ordered a 40" Carcano (let alone with C2766 etched on it) from Klein's as the WC claimed and he supports everyday on here. So what does he do? He makes it my problem by putting up photos that have NEVER been shown to be genuine and don't show LHO ordered and received a 40" Carcano in the way claimed as someone could have simply gave/lent him the rifle in the photo IF it was him.
Now, can you show us that LHO RECEIVED the alleged murder weapon at his Dallas P.O. Box (I doubt it since he NEVER showed he ordered it) with evidence like a receipt slip with his signature or an employee who spoke with him and delivered the package to him?
I doubt it since it is NOT in the 26 volumes!
So, once again we see there is evidence for a conspiracy based on the FACT there is NO evidence for the claims the WC made regarding LHO and the LN theory!
IF LHO did what they claimed then he had to have had help and that means a conspiracy!
Bill is so bad at this stuff just like old Allegedly "Ben Holmes"!
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February 03, 2012, 06:30:22 PM
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Excellent point Rob... It reall is a simple request you make of Bill or any LNer here... C20-T750 was ordered.... this was the M91 TS, of which Kleins ordered 400 and then supposedly cancelled/changed the order The gunsmith at Klein's tells us they only put scopes on 36" TS rifles as a packaged sale via the Ad 1) At what point does C20-T750 become C2766? The ONLY item of evidence that ties them together is the handwritten C2766 on the Hidell order... Did they call the Klein's packer of the irder? No Did they call HIS boss? No Did Waldman have ANYTHING to do with this order? No Since the LNer claims Kleins shipped a replacement to Hidell... you'd need to prove that with some authenticated evidence... 2) If Kleins did replace the rifle... was Oswald the FIRST replacement, they ran out of M91 TS rifles with HIS order? Again Cite your evidence 3) If Kleins did not buy 36" M91 TS rifles from Crescent - where did they get the rifles for the $19.95 Ad? what rifle did they ship anyone else who ordered C20-T750 4) Why do we not see any other single order for C20-T750 from Kleins? and find out how it was handled? Surely if they sold these rifles, Waldman would have a list of these rifles by seriel number and VC # Just show us another order where the customer ordering C20-T750 gets a 40" M91/38 FC... or actually GETS what they ordered - a 36" scoped rifle... How did these customers retrieve their rifles from the USPS? Rob.. Bill and compadres have no answer for these question cause there aren't any. The Dallas Homicide Division, WC and the FBI could care less about the details regarding the rifle... the MURDER WEAPON... unless it points to Oswald... and since so much evidence DIDN'T point to him... it was created as needed.... Keep up the pressure here buddy... the more they think about it, the harder it gets for them to defend their position... Cheers DJ PS The last and somewhat important question... what does "38 E" mean and why ahve we never seen any of these other rifles and seriel numbers? EVER  
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February 03, 2012, 08:48:10 PM
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Marina Oswald has always confirmed that she took the BY photos. Even though she apparently now contends LHO is innocent she sticks to that story. The fact that she can't remember how many pictures she took or which camera she used is meaningless. And photo experts have consistently confirmed they are genuine. Oswald's handwriting is even on one of the photos. The rifle in the picture has been matched to the one on the 6th floor. That rifle has been matched to bullet fragments found in the wounds of JFK and JC. There is no evidence that the rifle ordered from Klein's - 36' or otherwise - was returned because Oswald didn't pick it up. We know Oswald owned a rifle. That rifle was missing after 11.22. If it's not the 40' MC found on the 6th floor floor, then where is it? There is more evidence against Oswald than anyone in prison today. This is a very simple and straightforward case.
Mrs. De MOHRENSCHILDT. And I believe from what I remember George sat down on the sofa and started talking to Lee, and Marina was showing me the house that is why I said it looks like it was the first time, because why would she show me the house if I had been there before? Then we went to another room, and she opens the closet, and I see the gun standing there. I said, what is the gun doing over there?
Mr. JENNER. You say---
Mrs. De MOHRENSCHILDT. A rifle.
Mr. JENNER. A rifle, in the closet?
Mrs. De MOHRENSCHILDT. In the closet, right in the beginning. It wasn't hidden or anything.
Mr. JENNER. Standing up on its butt?
Mrs. De MOHRENSCHILDT. Yes.
Mr. JENNER. I show you Commission Exhibit 139. Is that the rifle that you saw?
Mrs. De MOHRENSCHILDT. It looks very much like it.
Mr. JENNER. And was it standing in the corner of the closet?
Mrs. De MOHRENSCHILDT. You want me to show you how it was leaning? Make believe I open the closet door this way. And the rifle was leaning something like that.
Mr. JENNER. Right against the wall?
Mrs. De MOHRENSCHILDT. Yes; and the closet was square. I said, what is this?
Mr. JENNER. It was this rifle?
Mrs. De MOHRENSCHILDT. I don't know. It looks very much like it, because something was dangling over it, and I didn't know what it was. This telescopic sight. Like we had a rifle with us on the road, we just had a smooth thing, nothing attached to it. And I saw something here.
Mr. JENNER. I say your attention was arrested, not only, because when the closet door was opened by Marina you saw the rifle in the closet--you saw a rifle?
Mrs. De MOHRENSCHILDT. Yes.
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February 03, 2012, 08:48:32 PM
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I love it. These "requests" were supposed to be Rob's chance to finally show evidence that proves there was a conspiracy. In BOTH threads that he has created, he did nothing of the sort.
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February 03, 2012, 09:21:12 PM
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I love it. These "requests" were supposed to be Rob's chance to finally show evidence that proves there was a conspiracy. In BOTH threads that he has created, he did nothing of the sort.
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February 06, 2012, 06:28:12 PM
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Marina Oswald has always confirmed that she took the BY photos. Even though she apparently now contends LHO is innocent she sticks to that story. The fact that she can't remember how many pictures she took or which camera she used is meaningless. And photo experts have consistently confirmed they are genuine. Oswald's handwriting is even on one of the photos. The rifle in the picture has been matched to the one on the 6th floor. That rifle has been matched to bullet fragments found in the wounds of JFK and JC. There is no evidence that the rifle ordered from Klein's - 36' or otherwise - was returned because Oswald didn't pick it up. We know Oswald owned a rifle. That rifle was missing after 11.22. If it's not the 40' MC found on the 6th floor floor, then where is it? There is more evidence against Oswald than anyone in prison today. This is a very simple and straightforward case.
Mrs. De MOHRENSCHILDT. And I believe from what I remember George sat down on the sofa and started talking to Lee, and Marina was showing me the house that is why I said it looks like it was the first time, because why would she show me the house if I had been there before? Then we went to another room, and she opens the closet, and I see the gun standing there. I said, what is the gun doing over there?
Mr. JENNER. You say---
Mrs. De MOHRENSCHILDT. A rifle.
Mr. JENNER. A rifle, in the closet?
Mrs. De MOHRENSCHILDT. In the closet, right in the beginning. It wasn't hidden or anything.
Mr. JENNER. Standing up on its butt?
Mrs. De MOHRENSCHILDT. Yes.
Mr. JENNER. I show you Commission Exhibit 139. Is that the rifle that you saw?
Mrs. De MOHRENSCHILDT. It looks very much like it.
Mr. JENNER. And was it standing in the corner of the closet?
Mrs. De MOHRENSCHILDT. You want me to show you how it was leaning? Make believe I open the closet door this way. And the rifle was leaning something like that.
Mr. JENNER. Right against the wall?
Mrs. De MOHRENSCHILDT. Yes; and the closet was square. I said, what is this?
Mr. JENNER. It was this rifle?
Mrs. De MOHRENSCHILDT. I don't know. It looks very much like it, because something was dangling over it, and I didn't know what it was. This telescopic sight. Like we had a rifle with us on the road, we just had a smooth thing, nothing attached to it. And I saw something here.
Mr. JENNER. I say your attention was arrested, not only, because when the closet door was opened by Marina you saw the rifle in the closet--you saw a rifle?
Mrs. De MOHRENSCHILDT. Yes.
She also said she ONLY took one picture! She also said she took them BEFORE the weapons were allegedly ordered by LHO (how does that work?)! She also said he was going to shoot Nixon! You get my point -- nearly nothing she said can be supported or corroborated let alone trusted! So what is your point again? Why do false allegations carry so much weight for you? Believe or not (of course you won't believe it) it has been determined years ago that the writing on the back of the DeM copy is Marina's writing and NOT LHO's. I believe the only portion he may have written is the weird date that mixes Roman numerals and regular digits. This was discussed in "The Man Who Knew Too Much" and that came out in 1992! Don't you keep up with anything in this case? The rifle in the photo has NOT been matched to the one found on the sixth floor -- to say otherwise is a L I E! To say any bullet INSIDE JFK and JBC matched the alleged murder weapon is a L I E on monumental proportions! All you have proven in this L I E filled post is that you are willing to L I E to make your point.
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February 06, 2012, 06:35:15 PM
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I love it. These "requests" were supposed to be Rob's chance to finally show evidence that proves there was a conspiracy. In BOTH threads that he has created, he did nothing of the sort.
Bill -- you are a  and a really bad one too! Do you forget you said this? "Then what are you waiting on? Why the delay? Quote the Warren Commission's evidence that supports a conspiracy. But, so as to not ruin yet another thread, perhaps you should begin a new thread. Okay?" -- Bill Brown The I am doing this piece by piece Bill, and you are failing miserably at it. The very FACT you can't cite any evidence to support ANY OF THE claims of the WC shows us a conspiracy occurred as they made up things to FRAME LHO with and this would ONLY have happened if they were intending to COVER-UP the true nature of the crime. So every time you FAIL to support a claim made by the WC, and SUPPORTED BY YOU, you reinforce the very true claim by me that a conspiracy took place! Thanks! KUTGW! 
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February 06, 2012, 07:50:30 PM
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Bill, for you to continue to engage this a-hole is simply a waste of your good time. You must realize that at this point.
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February 06, 2012, 09:08:15 PM
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Bill, for you to continue to engage this a-hole is simply a waste of your good time. You must realize that at this point.
You're correct, of course. Paul, I think I will stop wasting my time with him. I challenged him to create a few threads that shows evidence that supports a conspiracy and instead, all he did was create a couple threads asking me to cite evidence.
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February 06, 2012, 10:09:56 PM
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She also said she ONLY took one picture! She also said she took them BEFORE the weapons were allegedly ordered by LHO (how does that work?)! She also said he was going to shoot Nixon!
You get my point -- nearly nothing she said can be supported or corroborated let alone trusted! So what is your point again?
Why do false allegations carry so much weight for you?
Believe or not (of course you won't believe it) it has been determined years ago that the writing on the back of the DeM copy is Marina's writing and NOT LHO's. I believe the only portion he may have written is the weird date that mixes Roman numerals and regular digits. This was discussed in "The Man Who Knew Too Much" and that came out in 1992! Don't you keep up with anything in this case?
The rifle in the photo has NOT been matched to the one found on the sixth floor -- to say otherwise is a L I E!
To say any bullet INSIDE JFK and JBC matched the alleged murder weapon is a L I E on monumental proportions! All you have proven in this
L I E filled post is that you are willing to L I E to make your point.
Rob- You constantly say there is "no evidence." What you apparently mean is that there is a mountain of evidence but you believe without explanation that it is all faked or lies. Is that the conclusion of a reasonable person? Marina said she took the pictures. Whether she can remember how many pictures or what camera she used is not important. If you believe she was coerced into saying that, then why does she say he is innocent? Wouldn't whoever coerced her into falsely saying she took the picture also tell not to proclaim Oswald innocent? It doesn't add up. It's a confused, incoherent narrative centered on paranoia. Besides there is testimony from another witness which I posted that confirms he owned a rifle. If you believe any of the writing on the DeM picture was Oswald's (date or whatever) then that's all you need to realize they are genuine. It's a slam dunk. ALL the ballistics evidence recovered has been matched to Oswald's rifle. There is no credible debate on that point.
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February 06, 2012, 10:44:29 PM
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Rob- You constantly say there is "no evidence." What you apparently mean is that there is a mountain of evidence but you believe without explanation that it is all faked or lies. Is that the conclusion of a reasonable person? Marina said she took the pictures. Whether she can remember how many pictures or what camera she used is not important. If you believe she was coerced into saying that, then why does she say he is innocent? Wouldn't whoever coerced her into falsely saying she took the picture also tell not to proclaim Oswald innocent? It doesn't add up. It's a confused, incoherent narrative centered on paranoia. Besides there is testimony from another witness which I posted that confirms he owned a rifle. If you believe any of the writing on the DeM picture was Oswald's (date or whatever) then that's all you need to realize they are genuine. It's a slam dunk. ALL the ballistics evidence recovered has been matched to Oswald's rifle. There is no credible debate on that point.
You're right, Richard. The thing is, Rob is paranoid and not credible.
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February 07, 2012, 01:11:09 AM
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You're right, Richard. The thing is, Rob is paranoid and not credible.
So why do you guys keep bothering?
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