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 February 02, 2012, 09:15:31 PM
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First of all since I am new to the JFK assassination, I may be asking elementary questions. Hearing a few recordings of the dictabelt, I noticed a great variance of what one is able to hear. The one posted by this site on youtube is basically of nothing I can make out (I mean of gunshots). This is supposedly the Dallas PD original. Then I listen to others and they have clear-cut sounds of gunfire along with easily discerned echos. Then I hear still others with apparantly various numbers of gunshots heard. I even heard one which was supposedly followed by a morse code. What is the explaination of all these versions and how does one determine which is accurate?
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February 03, 2012, 10:43:33 AM
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Paul Check out: As a guest, you are not allowed to view links.
Register or LoginAnd click on the pictures until you reach the one with Officer McClain turning onto Houston Street, as seen in the Hughes film. He has slowed for the turn, but will soon resume his 11 MPH motorcade speed. He is 150 feet away from where the acoustic panel predicted a motorcycle microphone would be for the first shot. The acoustic panel claimed they could tell where the "shots" originated from and with equal certainty, where the microphone was. They predicted that a motorcycle with an open microphone would be within 9 feet of a certain spot on Houston Street just short of Elm Street. They said if no motorcycle was found there, then there study would have to be greatly questioned. We can see in this last frame of the Hughes film, the yellow car that follows LBJ's car. It is starting to make the left turn onto Elm Street. This same yellow car is visible in Zapruder frame 160, just starting to start the turn onto Elm Street. Clearly the end of the Hughes film corresponds to about frame z160. The latest possible time the first shot could be (according to the so called acoustic evidence, is frame z175). There is no way Officer McClain can reach the predicted spot in the next second. He would have to accelerate to 100 MPH. There is no reason Officer McClain would take off just before the first shot. CTers, essentially, argue, that Hughes turned off his camera too soon. So we cannot tell where Officer McClain's motorcycle was a second later. For all we know, it might have made it to within a few feet of Elm Street, a block away. But if you do the math, it's clear that this is impossible. All LIES. We have disproven them right here in this very forum.
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February 03, 2012, 11:15:43 AM
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Don't listen to Herbert. No shots can be HEARD on the tape.
The next to last shot was at 144.895, and the last shot was at 145.608.
That is 0.713 sec. apart.
The pulses attributed to the third and the fourth shots are audible and have the frequency characteristics of pulses produced by the limiting circuit in the DPD transmitter. Playing a wave file of these limiting pulses at progressively slower speeds provides audible evidence of the special nature of these pulses. As a guest, you are not allowed to view links.
Register or LoginReducing playing speed dramatically lowers the pitch of the voice and has a similar effect upon a brief heterodyne and the background noise. However, the pitches of the limiting pulses initially resist lowering and change slightly at greatly reduced playing speeds. This demonstration shows that the high frequency contents of the limiting pulses are widely dispersed and extremely rich. These uncommon characteristics are further evidence that these special pulses are the responses of the radio system to impulses generated by the limiting circuit in the audio stage of the transmitter. Herbert
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February 03, 2012, 11:46:16 AM
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The pulses attributed to the third and the fourth shots are audible and have the frequency characteristics of pulses produced by the limiting circuit in the DPD transmitter. Playing a wave file of these limiting pulses at progressively slower speeds provides audible evidence of the special nature of these pulses. As a guest, you are not allowed to view links.
Register or LoginReducing playing speed dramatically lowers the pitch of the voice and has a similar effect upon a brief heterodyne and the background noise. However, the pitches of the limiting pulses initially resist lowering and change slightly at greatly reduced playing speeds. This demonstration shows that the high frequency contents of the limiting pulses are widely dispersed and extremely rich. These uncommon characteristics are further evidence that these special pulses are the responses of the radio system to impulses generated by the limiting circuit in the audio stage of the transmitter. Herbert Can you put Z frame numbers to each impuls please ?
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February 03, 2012, 04:15:03 PM
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Thanks all for responding. Thanks Anthony for addressing me directly. I guess some of the videos I see are with sounds people create that are synchronized with the frames they believe correspond to shots on the dictabelt??? The Morse Code video I saw said the dots and dashes spelled out "victory" (apparently over the head shot) 
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February 03, 2012, 06:06:23 PM
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Can you put Z frame numbers to each impuls please ?
No. Putting Z numbers on the pulse patterns requires recognition of at least three shots on the film. Herbert
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February 03, 2012, 06:55:57 PM
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The Morse Code video I saw said the dots and dashes spelled out "victory" (apparently over the head shot) Two stations broadcast the morse code vee. As a guest, you are not allowed to view links.
Register or LoginThe three short dits broadcast by the first station had a higher frequency than the long dah sent by the second station. This observation s shows that a station did not broadcast a morse code vee that was the signal for testing, not victory. Herbert
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February 03, 2012, 07:06:54 PM
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No.
Putting Z numbers on the pulse patterns requires recognition of at least three shots on the film.
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sorry Herbert, I don't quite undersatnd. We have a pulse pattern, and we have at least one confirmed visual hit in Zapruder. How many impulses do we have on the audio tape ? We have the headshot at 313. If you have say 4 audio impulses just shift them accordingly, then you would come up with (at 4 audio imps) 4 different Z-film scenarios. Then we could pick which fits the best with what's happening in Z. Just a thought. Is the audio at real speed ? How do we know if it is in real speed ?
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February 03, 2012, 07:40:52 PM
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I figured there was some whooy over the victory claim.
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February 04, 2012, 03:34:32 AM
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Can you put Z frame numbers to each impuls please ?
The HSCA presented the matchup both ways, with the grassy knoll shot at Z-313 or the last TSBD shot at Z-313. My matchup is slightly different because I used the W&A correction factor. HSCA Z-# hit? origin jiggle Marsh Z-# hit? origin jiggle 137.70 161 miss TSBD D 137.702 179 miss TSBD VI#1 B 139.27 191 JFK/JBC TSBD B 139.268 209 JFK TSBD VI#1 [140.32] 140.339 230 Connally TSBD VI#10 C 144.90 297 miss knoll E 144.895 312.6 JFK knoll A1 145.61 312 JFK TSBD A1 145.608 328 Connally TSBD VI#1 A2
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February 04, 2012, 03:37:22 AM
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Thanks all for responding. Thanks Anthony for addressing me directly. I guess some of the videos I see are with sounds people create that are synchronized with the frames they believe correspond to shots on the dictabelt??? The Morse Code video I saw said the dots and dashes spelled out "victory" (apparently over the head shot) Nope. Long after the shots. It is nothing but kook speculation. Some of the videos may have come originally from Groden superimposing test shots on the Zapruder film for the HSCA public hearings.
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February 05, 2012, 08:41:32 PM
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sorry Herbert,
I don't quite undersatnd. We have a pulse pattern, and we have at least one confirmed visual hit in Zapruder.
How many impulses do we have on the audio tape ?
We have the headshot at 313. If you have say 4 audio impulses just shift them accordingly, then you would come up with (at 4 audio imps) 4 different Z-film scenarios. Then we could pick which fits the best with what's happening in Z. Just a thought.
Is the audio at real speed ? How do we know if it is in real speed ?
If the Zapruder film showed two undisputed shots then one could find a starting time and a speed of the Dictabelt that would match any pair of pulses. For this reason one more undisputed shot on the film must be matched with a third pulse on the Dictabelt. If the starting time and the speed for each of the three pairs of matches correlate well then the matches would have significance. Herbert
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February 06, 2012, 02:37:30 AM
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sorry Herbert,
I don't quite undersatnd. We have a pulse pattern, and we have at least one confirmed visual hit in Zapruder.
How many impulses do we have on the audio tape ?
We have the headshot at 313. If you have say 4 audio impulses just shift them accordingly, then you would come up with (at 4 audio imps) 4 different Z-film scenarios. Then we could pick which fits the best with what's happening in Z. Just a thought.
Is the audio at real speed ? How do we know if it is in real speed ?
There are thousands of impulses on the tape. They can't all be gun shots. What we do have are patterns of impulses on the tape which match test shots fired in Dealey Plaza. There were 5 sets of patterns which matched known test shots. The HSCA rejected on as being a shot because it was too close to another one. They then reasoned that one of the last two sets must be the the head shot at Z-313. The matched it up both ways, with the grassy knoll shot at Z-313 and the last TSBD shot at Z-313. They rejected the head shot coming from the grassy knoll because they thought the medical evidence ruled it out. The dictabelt was recorded at a different speed than they played back.
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