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 February 02, 2012, 09:15:31 PM
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First of all since I am new to the JFK assassination, I may be asking elementary questions. Hearing a few recordings of the dictabelt, I noticed a great variance of what one is able to hear. The one posted by this site on youtube is basically of nothing I can make out (I mean of gunshots). This is supposedly the Dallas PD original. Then I listen to others and they have clear-cut sounds of gunfire along with easily discerned echos. Then I hear still others with apparantly various numbers of gunshots heard. I even heard one which was supposedly followed by a morse code. What is the explaination of all these versions and how does one determine which is accurate?
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February 03, 2012, 12:21:56 AM
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First of all since I am new to the JFK assassination, I may be asking elementary questions. Hearing a few recordings of the dictabelt, I noticed a great variance of what one is able to hear. The one posted by this site on youtube is basically of nothing I can make out (I mean of gunshots). This is supposedly the Dallas PD original. Then I listen to others and they have clear-cut sounds of gunfire along with easily discerned echos. Then I hear still others with apparantly various numbers of gunshots heard. I even heard one which was supposedly followed by a morse code. What is the explaination of all these versions and how does one determine which is accurate?
The sounds of the last two shots on the Dictabelt being about 12-db above the interference are faintly heard. However these pulses have unique characteristics that distinguish them from common clicks, pops and noises. Herbert
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February 03, 2012, 12:52:34 AM
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The sounds of the last two shots on the Dictabelt being about 12-db above the interference are faintly heard. However these pulses have unique characteristics that distinguish them from common clicks, pops and noises.
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Herbert are the last two sounds closely spaced as per most witness reports? If so can you discern a time factor for the spacing? I can do it myself if its easy enough but since you've done more work on this than most I hope you don't mind me asking you. Cheers.
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February 03, 2012, 01:07:18 AM
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Herbert are the last two sounds closely spaced as per most witness reports? If so can you discern a time factor for the spacing? I can do it myself if its easy enough but since you've done more work on this than most I hope you don't mind me asking you. Cheers.
About nine-tenths of a second separate the last two pulse patterns. Herbert
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February 03, 2012, 01:28:43 AM
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About nine-tenths of a second separate the last two pulse patterns.
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That close?! Wow! very interesting. Most of the witnesses hear them pretty close too. No wonder LN's discredit the dictabelt. In their ears its gotta be wrong.  Thanks Herbert.
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February 03, 2012, 02:59:06 AM
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That close?! Wow! very interesting. Most of the witnesses hear them pretty close too. No wonder LN's discredit the dictabelt. In their ears its gotta be wrong. Thanks Herbert. lol, Conally described them as close also then went on to say that it was like an automatic weapon, then went on to say they were all five seconds apart, so "close" is not an exact science.
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LN; So how did it happen then ?
CT; I don't know, I only know that it didn't happen the way the evidence says.
LN; We should not use evidence in this case ?
CT; Correct.
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February 03, 2012, 03:28:03 AM
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lol, Conally described them as close also then went on to say that it was like an automatic weapon, then went on to say they were all five seconds apart, so "close" is not an exact science.
A few of them said it sounded like an automatic weapon due to their proximity but you're right each will discern the time differently. One thing is for certain only 10% recalled anything remotely like Z160,Z223/Z313. 75% go out of their way to say the last 2 were closely spaced as opposed to the 1st and 2nd.
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February 03, 2012, 04:08:24 AM
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That close?! Wow! very interesting. Most of the witnesses hear them pretty close too. No wonder LN's discredit the dictabelt. In their ears its gotta be wrong. Thanks Herbert. Paul Check out: As a guest, you are not allowed to view links.
Register or LoginAnd click on the pictures until you reach the one with Officer McClain turning onto Houston Street, as seen in the Hughes film. He has slowed for the turn, but will soon resume his 11 MPH motorcade speed. He is 150 feet away from where the acoustic panel predicted a motorcycle microphone would be for the first shot. The acoustic panel claimed they could tell where the "shots" originated from and with equal certainty, where the microphone was. They predicted that a motorcycle with an open microphone would be within 9 feet of a certain spot on Houston Street just short of Elm Street. They said if no motorcycle was found there, then there study would have to be greatly questioned. We can see in this last frame of the Hughes film, the yellow car that follows LBJ's car. It is starting to make the left turn onto Elm Street. This same yellow car is visible in Zapruder frame 160, just starting to start the turn onto Elm Street. Clearly the end of the Hughes film corresponds to about frame z160. The latest possible time the first shot could be (according to the so called acoustic evidence, is frame z175). There is no way Officer McClain can reach the predicted spot in the next second. He would have to accelerate to 100 MPH. There is no reason Officer McClain would take off just before the first shot. CTers, essentially, argue, that Hughes turned off his camera too soon. So we cannot tell where Officer McClain's motorcycle was a second later. For all we know, it might have made it to within a few feet of Elm Street, a block away. But if you do the math, it's clear that this is impossible.
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February 03, 2012, 04:25:52 AM
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A few of them said it sounded like an automatic weapon due to their proximity but you're right each will discern the time differently. One thing is for certain only 10% recalled anything remotely like Z160,Z223/Z313. 75% go out of their way to say the last 2 were closely spaced as opposed to the 1st and 2nd.
I agree, and they most likely were. imo,
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February 03, 2012, 04:33:11 AM
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That close?! Wow! very interesting. Most of the witnesses hear them pretty close too. No wonder LN's discredit the dictabelt. In their ears its gotta be wrong. Thanks Herbert. The LN’s can only try to discredit the Dictabelt because they lack what it takes to impeach the same evidence. In particular the pulse pattern attributed to a shot from the grassy knoll most closely matches the test shot from the same location when they mistakenly multiply instead of dividing tape time by the 1.043 correction factor. In fairness, I acknowledge the dilemma of the LN’s in that their champions who disputed the acoustic evidence of the grassy knoll shot were duped by a studio edition of the Dictabelt. Herbert
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February 03, 2012, 10:35:59 AM
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First of all since I am new to the JFK assassination, I may be asking elementary questions. Hearing a few recordings of the dictabelt, I noticed a great variance of what one is able to hear. The one posted by this site on youtube is basically of nothing I can make out (I mean of gunshots). This is supposedly the Dallas PD original. Then I listen to others and they have clear-cut sounds of gunfire along with easily discerned echos. Then I hear still others with apparantly various numbers of gunshots heard. I even heard one which was supposedly followed by a morse code. What is the explaination of all these versions and how does one determine which is accurate?
False. No recording has shots that you can hear. They were only detected mathematically. The bit about Morse code is silly. All the cops on that channel were trying to get through and the radio system was jammed by the open microphone so usually all you hear are beeps by other cops keying their microphones trying to get onto the channel. It is frustration not Morse Code.
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February 03, 2012, 10:41:37 AM
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That close?! Wow! very interesting. Most of the witnesses hear them pretty close too. No wonder LN's discredit the dictabelt. In their ears its gotta be wrong. Thanks Herbert. Don't listen to Herbert. No shots can be HEARD on the tape. The next to last shot was at 144.895, and the last shot was at 145.608. That is 0.713 sec. apart.
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