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Casket No 1 According to Joe Hagan, supervisor of the embalming team, of Gawler's Funeral home, the first casket was a " metal shipping casket at U.S. Naval Hospital at Bethesda." And according to Paul O'Connor of the Bethesda Pathology department, the "casket that arrived was a pinkish grey shipping casket. He said that the body was in a body bag and the head was wrapped in a sheet. He recalls seeing a massive head wound and a gaping wound in the neck. O'Connor said he was shocked at what he saw. He said the head had nothing left in the cranium but splattered brain matter."This was taken into Bethesda anteroom at 6.40.p.m. Casket No 2. As seen on t.v. and according to Agents Sibert and O'Neill, the ceremonial Bronze casket which is the one which left Dallas on Air Force One, arrived at Bethesda at about 6.55 and waited outside the front of Bethesda Hospital until 7.15. How come two caskets were received by Bethesda? And in which one was JFK? 
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February 05, 2012, 02:56:35 AM
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Lee Harvey Oswald's brother is taking legal action over the auction of the presidential assassin's original coffin. Robert Oswald said he thought the water-damaged wooden coffin had been destroyed after his brother's body was exhumed from a Fort Worth, Texas, cemetery in 1981 amid conspiracy theories surrounding the death of President John F Kennedy. Another coffin was used for the reburial. The lawsuit filed last week in Fort Worth accuses Baumgardner Funeral Home of invasion of privacy, negligence, gross negligence and breach of contract. Read more: As a guest, you are not allowed to view links.
Register or Login Final resting place: The coffin in which the body of President Kennedy's assassin Lee Harvey Oswald lay for 20 years has been sold at auction   Robert Oswald, 76, of Wichita Falls, is seeking unspecified damages, including the proceeds of last month's auction that raised $160,000 (£103,000) for various items, including Lee Harvey Oswald's death certificate and porcelain embalming table.
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February 05, 2012, 02:28:57 PM
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Then where did the grey shipping casket come from? I didn't start that.
So once again I ask you to show me a pink shipping casket and you come up empty.
Now you are starting to back away from the pink shipping casket because you know it is silly.
Yet you want to claim that your handpicked witnesses are 100% correct about every detail.
Even when they admitted they were wrong. What is the name of that rhetorical technique?
No, Anthony, I'm not backing away from the "pink shipping casket" at all. I just tell it as it is. The question you should be asking is " Where did the SHIPPING casket come from?" O'Connor said it was a pink shipping casket, others say that it was a grey shipping casket. Not much difference between pink, pink/grey, and grey. Where did I say my handpicked (handpicked-arf!) witnesses were 100% correct about every detail? How did JFK end up in a zipper bag?
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February 05, 2012, 04:27:08 PM
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February 05, 2012, 05:05:29 PM
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Good afternoon Mike
I have never been able to find any definitive evidence of the actual weight of the O'Neill Parkland Casket. Yes, true it was clearly heavy - but Ive never found a specification sheet definitely listing its weight.
I believe the weight often mentioned of around 400Lbs was an estimation given by Aubrey Rike during an interview
Where are you getting the 400Lbs statement from?
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February 05, 2012, 05:13:03 PM
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Part of Lipsey's statement:
"We met the body at Andrews Airforce Base. We had everything organized by that afternoon. We had Marines organized with their little Honor Guard. We had the men from Ft. Meyer, the third old [?] guard, the guys like at Humphry's funeral, the ceremonial guard that watched the casket. The ceremonial troop in Washington had been arranged to meet the body at Andrews. Put it in a hearse. We had a decoy hearse because we knew there was a mob waiting at Bethesda Naval Hospital. So we got in a couple of these helicopters with our honor guard when they left and flew over to the hospital to get there before they did. And when they came in, one of the hearses went right up to the front door. All of the crowd, of course, rushed over there. The one with the body in it went around to the back where the morgue was and we unloaded it. We met them in the back and unloaded it right there to avoid the news media and the crowd and everything else."
So that confirms the two caskets, no? Now we need to see who put JFK in the body bag
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February 05, 2012, 05:27:29 PM
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I have never been able to find any definitive evidence of the actual weight of the O'Neill Parkland Casket. Yes, true it was clearly heavy - but Ive never found a specification sheet definitely listing its weight.
I believe the weight often mentioned of around 400Lbs was an estimation given by Aubrey Rike during an interview
Where are you getting the 400Lbs statement from? When the O’Neal Funeral Home finally receives the casket back from the Government, instead of finding dried blood on the inside, there are green paint marks on the white linen at knee high level. This becomes significant in light of the fact that two oxygen tanks and one black body bag were taken from the O’Neal Funeral Home at the same time the casket was picked up and delivered to Parkland Hospital. Photographs of the casket being carried onto Air Force One indicate that the the handles were in the down position, meaning the bronze casket was not locked and sealed.
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February 05, 2012, 05:53:48 PM
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This becomes significant in light of the fact that two oxygen tanks and one black body bag were taken from the O’Neal Funeral Home at the same time the casket was picked up and delivered to Parkland Hospital. Photographs of the casket being carried onto Air Force One indicate that the the handles were in the down position, meaning the bronze casket was not locked and sealed.
Now we have the body bag..... Getting closer.
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February 05, 2012, 09:05:07 PM
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Good afternoon Mike
I have never been able to find any definitive evidence of the actual weight of the O'Neill Parkland Casket. Yes, true it was clearly heavy - but Ive never found a specification sheet definitely listing its weight.
I believe the weight often mentioned of around 400Lbs was an estimation given by Aubrey Rike during an interview
Where are you getting the 400Lbs statement from?
Regards
Mike O'Neill
Hi Mike, I dont walk around with that info in my head that is for sure. The reference to the Parkland casket is in VB's book Reclaiming History on pg. 91 in a footnote with all the required references to ARRB sources among others. The reference to the Bethesda casket is in a footnote on pg. 181 with all the assorted sources listed. Hard to argue with the facts VB compiled in this book regardless if you agree or disagree with his conclusions. Another interesting piece of information is found a few pages later in a footnote on pg. 198. When President Kennedys casket arrived at the White House, it was placed on a "replica" of the same Lincoln catafalque which his casket was placed on. However, the "original" one was in the basement of the Capital building. An unknown historic missed opportunity.
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February 06, 2012, 02:12:03 AM
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No, Anthony, I'm not backing away from the "pink shipping casket" at all. I just tell it as it is. The question you should be asking is " Where did the SHIPPING casket come from?" O'Connor said it was a pink shipping casket, others say that it was a grey shipping casket. Not much difference between pink, pink/grey, and grey. Where did I say my handpicked (handpicked-arf!) witnesses were 100% correct about every detail?
How did JFK end up in a zipper bag?
The question I am asking is what shipping casket. Who is going to select a shipping casket for what reason? I don't give a  what Paul O'Connor said about anything. He has been shown to be an unreliable witness. Again for the third time I will ask you to show me a pink shipping casket. Any pink shipping casket. And are you confirming for us that you can't see the difference between pink and grey? Why not make up some really ridiculous color like purple polka dots if you want to add some credibility to the story? JFK was not in a zipper bag. Stop spreading crap.
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February 06, 2012, 02:21:14 AM
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Part of Lipsey's statement:
"We met the body at Andrews Airforce Base. We had everything organized by that afternoon. We had Marines organized with their little Honor Guard. We had the men from Ft. Meyer, the third old [?] guard, the guys like at Humphry's funeral, the ceremonial guard that watched the casket. The ceremonial troop in Washington had been arranged to meet the body at Andrews. Put it in a hearse. We had a decoy hearse because we knew there was a mob waiting at Bethesda Naval Hospital. So we got in a couple of these helicopters with our honor guard when they left and flew over to the hospital to get there before they did. And when they came in, one of the hearses went right up to the front door. All of the crowd, of course, rushed over there. The one with the body in it went around to the back where the morgue was and we unloaded it. We met them in the back and unloaded it right there to avoid the news media and the crowd and everything else."
So that confirms the two caskets, no? Now we need to see who put JFK in the body bag
No, it doesn't. It only indicates a decoy ambulance. No second coffin is mentioned and they did not remove any coffin from the decoy ambulance because it had no coffin. It was only used to lure the press in the wrong direction.
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February 06, 2012, 12:57:41 PM
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" And when they came in, one of the hearses went right up to the front door. All of the crowd, of course, rushed over there. The one with the body in it went around to the back where the morgue was and we unloaded it."
So are you saying, Anthony, that the Grey hearse that was at the front of the hospital did not contain a bronze casket? Or are you saying there was a bronze casket in the grey hearse but no shipping casket delivered to the back door?
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February 06, 2012, 08:59:01 PM
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Was there not an ARRB document/sheet/form from Gawlers that mentions the body was removed from a metal shipping casket?
Yes Peter... there was... Regarldss of the number of vehicles carrying coffins that night... Gree/Kellerman/Seibert/O'Neill carry a casket in on a dolly a little after 7pm... 7:17 to be exact... yet the FBI men were not allowed to remain in the room... and at 8pm the Joint Casket Bearer Team OFFICIALLY brings in the casket to being the autopsy As a guest, you are not allowed to view links.
Register or LoginPlease read the rest of the report where it states the Secret Sevice would not allow the team to touch the coffin until it became evident they couldn't move it correctly themselves... General McHugh even helps carry in the casket at 8:00 by relieving one of the official casket bearers... at 6:35, a casket understood to have JFK in it was taken into the morgue.. Humes and Boswell were already there.... work began... the evidence is plain and simple.. btw - LBJ ORDERED all personnel to the front of the plane for swearing in... the casket was left unguarded during this time... just saying. DJ 
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