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Casket No 1 According to Joe Hagan, supervisor of the embalming team, of Gawler's Funeral home, the first casket was a " metal shipping casket at U.S. Naval Hospital at Bethesda." And according to Paul O'Connor of the Bethesda Pathology department, the "casket that arrived was a pinkish grey shipping casket. He said that the body was in a body bag and the head was wrapped in a sheet. He recalls seeing a massive head wound and a gaping wound in the neck. O'Connor said he was shocked at what he saw. He said the head had nothing left in the cranium but splattered brain matter."This was taken into Bethesda anteroom at 6.40.p.m. Casket No 2. As seen on t.v. and according to Agents Sibert and O'Neill, the ceremonial Bronze casket which is the one which left Dallas on Air Force One, arrived at Bethesda at about 6.55 and waited outside the front of Bethesda Hospital until 7.15. How come two caskets were received by Bethesda? And in which one was JFK? 
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February 02, 2012, 08:28:24 PM
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J.F.K.'s body left Parkland wrapped in sheets, in a bronze casket.
It arrived at Bethesda in a shipping casket, in a body bag with a towel around his head.
Who made, and where were, the changes made?
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February 03, 2012, 11:12:22 AM
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Casket No 1 According to Joe Hagan, supervisor of the embalming team, of Gawler's Funeral home, the first casket was a " metal shipping casket at U.S. Naval Hospital at Bethesda." And according to Paul O'Connor of the Bethesda Pathology department, the "casket that arrived was a pinkish grey shipping casket. He said that the body was in a body bag and the head was wrapped in a sheet. He recalls seeing a massive head wound and a gaping wound in the neck. O'Connor said he was shocked at what he saw. He said the head had nothing left in the cranium but splattered brain matter."This was taken into Bethesda anteroom at 6.40.p.m. Casket No 2. As seen on t.v. and according to Agents Sibert and O'Neill, the ceremonial Bronze casket which is the one which left Dallas on Air Force One, arrived at Bethesda at about 6.55 and waited outside the front of Bethesda Hospital until 7.15. How come two caskets were received by Bethesda? And in which one was JFK? All wrong. Why do you spread misinformation like this? Clint Hill explained that when they forced the casket into the doorway of Air Force One they broke off one of the handles. That is the reason why they had to order a new casket at Bethesda. Parkland did not have metal caskets. The ordered a casket from a local funeral home. Stoughton was at the airport and took photos of the SS agents carrying the casket up the stairs to Air Force One. You tell me if it looks like a metal shipping casket. As a guest, you are not allowed to view links.
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February 03, 2012, 11:16:36 AM
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So are you saying a metal shipping casket didn't arrive at Bethesda at 6.30?
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February 03, 2012, 11:17:49 AM
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So are you saying a metal shipping casket didn't arrive at Bethesda at 6.30?
No metal shipping casket. Your witness is unreliable and easily confused.
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February 03, 2012, 12:03:22 PM
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Dennis David.(Administrative Technician at Bethesda)
"At about 6:30 p.m. Mr. David said he received a telephone call in which someone told him, 'Your visitor is on his way. You will need some people to off-load.' He then got his duty sailors together, borrowed some orphans from the dental school and assembled them outside the loading dock by about 6:40 p.m. 5 or 6 minutes later at about 6:45 p.m. he said that a black hearse drove up to the morgue loading dock. The driver and the person riding shotgun, ie. the front seat passenger, were wearing operating room smocks: white gowns. Four or five men in blue suits whom he assumed were federal agents exited the back of the hearse and supervised and observed while the approximately 7 or 8 Navy sailors working for him off-loaded the casket from the hearse. He said it was a simple grey metal shipping casket such as he frequently saw used later during the Vietnam war.”
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February 03, 2012, 05:23:35 PM
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Paul O’Connor (Bethesda Pathology Assistant)
“O’Connor said the casket that arrived was a pink shipping casket. He [O'Connor] said that the body was in a body bag and the head was wrapped in a sheet. “
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February 03, 2012, 05:58:36 PM
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Indeed wheres there is smoke there is fire. Rumors tell me the real body of jfk went to walter reed army medical hospital first. Then Bethesda naval hospital.
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February 03, 2012, 08:01:46 PM
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Indeed wheres there is smoke there is fire. Rumors tell me the real body of jfk went to walter reed army medical hospital first. Then Bethesda naval hospital.
There is only hearsay testimony regarding that... I do not see how that occurs given the time frame... Yet... Anthony's opinions aside... There is indeed reliable testimony about a black hearse delivering a standard metal shipping container by Boyijean's team There is also reliable testimony that the Navy Ambulance arrives with a large bronze casket and is taken into the morgue's anteroom by SS and FBI agents... at 7:17 AND there is the official account of the body arriving at 8pm... There was DEFINITELY a decoy ambulance that drives off into the night at Bethesda and "loses" its military team until finally at 8pm JFK is back in the casket we saw leaving Dallas and brought into the morgue... As strange as it sounds... the number of "duplicate" events that were staged for different audiences insured that confusion would reign... Both sets telling the truth, both sets in direct conflict with each other... Now that's a well planned cover-up KNOWING that info gets out... Ever wonder why it's only the witnesses who render Oswald innocent who are never to be believed? Dennis David ought to be applauded... instead he is attacked over the years... Personally, that's how we know he's right... The protest is simply too loud. DJ
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February 03, 2012, 08:27:10 PM
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Floyd Riebe ARRB Testimony.
Floyd Riebe assisted Stringer in photographing the autopsy(?)
Q: Could you describe generally the casket, please.
Riebe: It was kind of a gun metal gray, a dull finish.
Q: Do you recall any knobs on the side or handles?
Riebe: It had handles on both sides, yes. They were, I believe, a brass type, brass colored anyway.
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Q: Are you acquainted with the term "shipping casket"?
Riebe: Yes.
Q: And are you acquainted with the term "ceremonial casket"?
Riebe: Yes.
Q: Do those terms mean, describe different sorts of caskets to you?
Riebe: Yes.
Q: Do you have an opinion as to whether the casket that you first saw President Kennedy arrive in was in a shipping casket or ceremonial?
Riebe: It wasn't a ceremonial casket. It was a very plain, inexpensive type casket.
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Q: Did you, yourself, see the casket being opened?
Riebe: Yes.
Q: How was President Kennedy dressed or wrapped or covered?
Riebe: He was in a rubberized-type body bag.
Q: Had you ever seen a bag of that sort before?
Riebe: Yes. Yes.
Q: Where had you seen it before?
Riebe: At Bethesda, and we had an accident aboard a tanker that I was on before I went to Bethesda. We had to put a patient in the body bag and freeze him.
Q: You would call this a body bag?
Riebe: Yes.
Q: How are body bags sealed, if at all?
Riebe: Zippers.
Q: Did the zipper go down the side, the front?
Riebe: It went down the center, the front.
Q: Do you recall who removed President Kennedy from the bag?
Riebe: Yes, it was a man by the name of O'Connor. But I don't know the rest—I wasn't that familiar with a lot of staff there at the school.
Q: Was the bag opened by cutting it or by opening the zipper?
Riebe: No. It was zipped. It was unzipped.
Q: After the zipper was taken off, was there any other covering on the body?
Riebe: I think the head was wrapped. Other than that, no, that I can recall.
So it seems my witnesses weren't confused after all.
Who put JFK in a body bag?
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February 03, 2012, 10:09:22 PM
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From 20 years of age till 40 years of age JFK's average body weight was 155 pounds. From 40 to his death he was around 180 pounds. His steroid treatments contributed to the weight gain.
Do you really believe the Bronze casket being loaded onto AF1 at Love Field was empty? Theres no way the SS would have NOT noticed it was 180 pounds light!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And please dont talk about bodies/caskets being altered whilst on board AF1 in flight back to Washington - David Lifton rubbish
And again, when the Bronze casket was unloaded into the ambulance when AF1 landed - if it was empty and "missing" JFK's 180 pounds - it would have been absolutely obvious to those carrying it.
Mr O'connor and the others were clearly mistaken when the mention a shipping casket. Theres no doubt JFK was in the bronze casket all the way from Parkland to Bethesda
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February 03, 2012, 11:31:42 PM
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Good Evening
From 20 years of age till 40 years of age JFK's average body weight was 155 pounds. From 40 to his death he was around 180 pounds. His steroid treatments contributed to the weight gain.
Do you really believe the Bronze casket being loaded onto AF1 at Love Field was empty? Theres no way the SS would have NOT noticed it was 180 pounds light!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And please dont talk about bodies/caskets being altered whilst on board AF1 in flight back to Washington - David Lifton rubbish
And again, when the Bronze casket was unloaded into the ambulance when AF1 landed - if it was empty and "missing" JFK's 180 pounds - it would have been absolutely obvious to those carrying it.
Mr O'connor and the others were clearly mistaken when the mention a shipping casket. Theres no doubt JFK was in the bronze casket all the way from Parkland to Bethesda
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Mike ONeill
What the SS notices or not is simply not anything you can comment on with any accuracy... you have no idea... the Casket in the photo was extremely heavy.... But let's get to the reality of the timeline... Boyijean and Dennis David tell of a black hearse delivering a casket at 18:35 (6:35pm) local DC time. btw - this is NOT the Navy detail...  Mr. KELLERMAN. Let's come back to the period of our arrival at Andrews Air Force Base, which was 5:58 p.m. at night. By the time it took us to take the body from the plane into the ambulance, and a couple of carloads of staff people who followed us, we may have spent 15 minutes there. And in driving from Andrews to the U.S. Naval Hospital, I would judge, a good 45 minutes. So there is 7 o'clock. We went immediately over, without too much delay on the outside of the hospital, into the morgue. The Navy people had their staff in readiness right then. There wasn't anybody to call. They were all there. So at the latest, 7:30, they began to work on the autopsy. And, as I said, we left the hospital at 3:56 in the morning. Let's give the undertaker people 2 hours. So they were through at 2 o'clock in the morning. I would judge offhand that they worked on the autopsy angle 4 1/2, 5 hours. Siebert/O'Neill Report: On arrival at the Medical Center, the ambulance stopped in front of the main entrance, at which time Mrs. JACQUELINE KENNEDY and Attorney General ROBERT KENNEDY embarked from the ambulance and entered the building. The ambulance was thereafter driven around to the rear entrance where the President’s body was removed and taken into an autopsy room. Bureau agents assisted in the moving of the casket to the autopsy room. According to one report... the Marines took in a casket at 6:35pm... while the naval ambulance was still enroute... According to Kellerman... a bit after 7pm he and Greer and "Bureau agents" bring a casket into the morgue.... According to the Joint Casket Bearer Team's report... they helped offload the casket from AF-1 at 6:10... yet do not delivery it until 8pm... So what exactly are Kellerman, Greer, Seibert and O'Neill doing a little after 7pm ? When the official accounts describe two completely different events from theirs? DJ 
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