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Well, somebody did it.
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I'll let you speculate for a while, and I'll post the answer tomorrow.
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LN; So how did it happen then ?
CT; I don't know, I only know that it didn't happen the way the evidence says.
LN; We should not use evidence in this case ?
CT; Correct.
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February 03, 2012, 04:57:16 AM
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Well, somebody did it.
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I would think that a cop is not going to make a random stop of a guy walking down the street at that time, when he knows he may be called to go somewhere in a hurry. He really needs to sitting by his radio but yet he got out of the car at least twice after he knew that the President was assassinated and that the killer was loose, what was this guy thinking ? If I was at the record store, I would think he was an  . Got to go pick this up tomorrow.
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February 03, 2012, 04:58:40 AM
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That phrase at the beginning of "The X-Files"...
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I would think that a cop is not going to make a random stop of a guy walking down the street at that time, when he knows he may be called to go somewhere in a hurry. He really needs to sitting by his radio but yet he got out of the car at least twice after he knew that the President was assassinated and that the killer was loose, what was this guy thinking ? If I was at the record store, I would think he was an . Got to go pick this up tomorrow. No problem :) But it feels like you're already making the conclusion I have....
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February 03, 2012, 05:48:06 AM
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Very good on Oswald not wanting to kill tippet until he got out of the car.
I think Oswald was in a panic and was basically a chicken with its head cut off
Tunnel vision set in and he didn't know what to do or where to go.
If he was heading for the theatre he would not have stopped in the shoe store he would have just went right to the theatre.
Another thing I remember about Oswald as he was a heavy drinker
Maybe he was heading for some booze ?
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Oswald admitted his guilt when he claimed to have been a patsy.
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February 03, 2012, 07:41:15 AM
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Yes Tippit rushes to make a phone call, when any type of dealings he may or may not have had that day would not have needed a phone call to tell the other party why he would be busy-not make it- etc., anyone who may have been waiting on any policeman that day would know why a cop could not keep an appointment that day, there was no explanation needed. So what was the phone call all about ?
Why does he rush to do all that and yet drives down East 10th real slow after the call ? Doesn't make any sense at all.
He sat by the gas station, then took off in a hurry, then made a phone call in a hurry, then drove slowly up to Oswald, I'm wondering why that would be ?
One can only speculate why he wanted to make a call. And who he was calling. It was not unusual for Officer Tippit to use a phone. At the record store where he attempted a phone call, he was known over the years to occasionally drop by that place to make a phone call while on duty. Who would Officer Tippit be calling while on duty? Probably police dispatch, to deliver some sort of routine, non critical message. Maybe on November 22, he wanted to report a hunch, like some police units should watch the Greyhound bus terminal. Or some other hunch. Officer Tippit has a radio. Why not simply call in his hunch on the radio? To preserve bandwidth. Only a couple of channels was available for the dispatcher to communicate with over one hundred units. The dispatcher's prime means of control is that radio. If police are continuously calling in non critical information, the dispatcher will not be able to receive critical information, like: * there has just been a shooting of a policeman and where * the suspect was seen on this block going in this direction * a jacket has been found at this a location, possibly dumped by the suspect or to transmit critical information: * units converge to search this area * need units to check out a library * need units to check out a theater If one reads the police transcripts at: As a guest, you are not allowed to view links.
Register or Loginone will see that only essential messages are sent. They are as brief as possible. Codes like "10-4" make the messages as brief as possible. All of the units with access to this communication channel stayed off of it most of the time. This transcript makes for interesting reading. It is like a mostly blind, giant creature, groping for a certain target, as it gradually zeros in on Oswald. Sometimes it goes astray. But sometimes it searches in the right direction, before really zeroing in on him. If Officer Tippit had what he thought might be an important hunch, but not important enough to call it, he might stop to phone it in. We know Officer Tippit's call was very brief. Likely, whoever he called, he got a busy signal. If he was trying to call police headquarters, he likely would get a busy signal, from other officers calling in with their hunches, or from the public calling in with theirs.
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February 03, 2012, 08:09:57 AM
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The GLOCO Gas Station Tippit sighting, I personally have doubts about. Tippit could have been sitting at the gas station, but to me it doesn't make sense. The witnesses who claimed to see Tippit sitting at the gas station minutes after the assassination and then suddenly speeding off didn't tell their story for 3 years, as far as an interview of any sort. It was at this time when we hear about the William Turner Ramparts magazine article.
At 12:45pm, the Police Dispatcher asks Tippit his location, Tippit replies "I'm about Keist and Bonnie View". This intersection is about a 15 minute drive from the GLOCO gas station. I simply doubt that Tippit was sitting at the GLOCO gas station.
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February 03, 2012, 12:46:19 PM
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That phrase at the beginning of "The X-Files"...
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One can only speculate why he wanted to make a call. And who he was calling. It was not unusual for Officer Tippit to use a phone. At the record store where he attempted a phone call, he was known over the years to occasionally drop by that place to make a phone call while on duty. Who would Officer Tippit be calling while on duty? Probably police dispatch, to deliver some sort of routine, non critical message. Maybe on November 22, he wanted to report a hunch, like some police units should watch the Greyhound bus terminal. Or some other hunch. Officer Tippit has a radio. Why not simply call in his hunch on the radio? To preserve bandwidth. Only a couple of channels was available for the dispatcher to communicate with over one hundred units. The dispatcher's prime means of control is that radio. If police are continuously calling in non critical information, the dispatcher will not be able to receive critical information, like: * there has just been a shooting of a policeman and where * the suspect was seen on this block going in this direction * a jacket has been found at this a location, possibly dumped by the suspect or to transmit critical information: * units converge to search this area * need units to check out a library * need units to check out a theater If one reads the police transcripts at: As a guest, you are not allowed to view links.
Register or Loginone will see that only essential messages are sent. They are as brief as possible. Codes like "10-4" make the messages as brief as possible. All of the units with access to this communication channel stayed off of it most of the time. This transcript makes for interesting reading. It is like a mostly blind, giant creature, groping for a certain target, as it gradually zeros in on Oswald. Sometimes it goes astray. But sometimes it searches in the right direction, before really zeroing in on him. If Officer Tippit had what he thought might be an important hunch, but not important enough to call it, he might stop to phone it in. We know Officer Tippit's call was very brief. Likely, whoever he called, he got a busy signal. If he was trying to call police headquarters, he likely would get a busy signal, from other officers calling in with their hunches, or from the public calling in with theirs. Got a hard time swallowing this one, really. I have grave doubts that a potential sighting of a Presidential assassin would cause a police officer to take the time to pull into a retail store and call it in to preserve bandwith. Especially when Tippitt ultimately confronted Oswald alone.
Bill - no offense - but did anyone mention the Gloco sighting in this thread? I don't mean that nastily - I just don't think that particular event was being considered here. I agree, there's pretty much no credence to it.
The GLOCO Gas Station Tippit sighting, I personally have doubts about. Tippit could have been sitting at the gas station, but to me it doesn't make sense. The witnesses who claimed to see Tippit sitting at the gas station minutes after the assassination and then suddenly speeding off didn't tell their story for 3 years, as far as an interview of any sort. It was at this time when we hear about the William Turner Ramparts magazine article.
At 12:45pm, the Police Dispatcher asks Tippit his location, Tippit replies "I'm about Keist and Bonnie View". This intersection is about a 15 minute drive from the GLOCO gas station. I simply doubt that Tippit was sitting at the GLOCO gas station.
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February 03, 2012, 04:15:35 PM
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Got a hard time swallowing this one, really. I have grave doubts that a potential sighting of a Presidential assassin would cause a police officer to take the time to pull into a retail store and call it in to preserve bandwith. Especially when Tippitt ultimately confronted Oswald alone.
The sample given by Joe for the "hunch" was: "like some police units should watch the Greyhound bus terminal". Critical enough to radio in would be "the suspect was seen on this block going in this direction".Did you mean this for Henceroth/Murray?
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February 03, 2012, 04:24:25 PM
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This may be an example of overthinking events that make them seem more suspicious in retrospect. Particularly as they relate to Tippit. Oswald was simply on the move. Trying to put distance between himself and the police. Maybe he considered going to the airport or bus station. Maybe he was just moving because he had no real choice. No one was helping him. I don't think you can draw any conclusions based on his movements. If I rob a bank and the police are on my tail, do I have a plan if I head north instead of south? Not really. I'm just moving to avoid capture. Maybe I behave randomly to throw them off my tail. Maybe I'm not thinking clearly under stress. I'm not calculating whether it's better to be on a crowded street than a deserted street with every turn. That's the kind of thing we can suggest fifty years later when the police are not chasing us. Every action seemingly has to have a purpose or explanation in retrospect. The guy was in deep trouble. Under tremendous stress. He had no options. Just playing out his hand and moving in the direction of least resistance.
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February 03, 2012, 05:41:31 PM
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One can only speculate why he wanted to make a call. And who he was calling. It was not unusual for Officer Tippit to use a phone. At the record store where he attempted a phone call, he was known over the years to occasionally drop by that place to make a phone call while on duty. Who would Officer Tippit be calling while on duty? Probably police dispatch, to deliver some sort of routine, non critical message. Maybe on November 22, he wanted to report a hunch, like some police units should watch the Greyhound bus terminal. Or some other hunch. Officer Tippit has a radio. Why not simply call in his hunch on the radio? To preserve bandwidth. Only a couple of channels was available for the dispatcher to communicate with over one hundred units. The dispatcher's prime means of control is that radio. If police are continuously calling in non critical information, the dispatcher will not be able to receive critical information, like: * there has just been a shooting of a policeman and where * the suspect was seen on this block going in this direction * a jacket has been found at this a location, possibly dumped by the suspect or to transmit critical information: * units converge to search this area * need units to check out a library * need units to check out a theater If one reads the police transcripts at: As a guest, you are not allowed to view links.
Register or Loginone will see that only essential messages are sent. They are as brief as possible. Codes like "10-4" make the messages as brief as possible. All of the units with access to this communication channel stayed off of it most of the time. This transcript makes for interesting reading. It is like a mostly blind, giant creature, groping for a certain target, as it gradually zeros in on Oswald. Sometimes it goes astray. But sometimes it searches in the right direction, before really zeroing in on him. If Officer Tippit had what he thought might be an important hunch, but not important enough to call it, he might stop to phone it in. We know Officer Tippit's call was very brief. Likely, whoever he called, he got a busy signal. If he was trying to call police headquarters, he likely would get a busy signal, from other officers calling in with their hunches, or from the public calling in with theirs. Joe, Often Police use phones because some information passed between headquarters and the patrolman is not appropriate for radio broadcast. Sometimes the information requires several minutes of talking time, and so as to not tie up a radio channel, the officer is directed to call in to dispatch or the shift commander. Some towns back then even had police call boxes, which were telephones strung out along a circuit, through town, much like the red Gamewell fire boxes on telephone poles. Officers walking a beat, or driving up to a call box, had immediate access to a private tlephone line direct to their dispatch center. They had them where I grew up, blue boxes with a locked door.
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February 03, 2012, 07:28:13 PM
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I'll let you speculate for a while, and I'll post the answer tomorrow.
Is it tomorrow yet?
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February 03, 2012, 08:41:52 PM
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Bill - no offense - but did anyone mention the Gloco sighting in this thread? I don't mean that nastily - I just don't think that particular event was being considered here. I agree, there's pretty much no credence to it. Yes. Mark Henceroth mentioned the "gas station" in this thread. You obviously saw it because you also responded to this particular post by Mark. Yes Tippit rushes to make a phone call, when any type of dealings he may or may not have had that day would not have needed a phone call to tell the other party why he would be busy-not make it- etc., anyone who may have been waiting on any policeman that day would know why a cop could not keep an appointment that day, there was no explanation needed. So what was the phone call all about ?
Why does he rush to do all that and yet drives down East 10th real slow after the call ? Doesn't make any sense at all.
He sat by the gas station, then took off in a hurry, then made a phone call in a hurry, then drove slowly up to Oswald, I'm wondering why that would be ?
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