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Originally, Whaley said he dropped off LHO in the 500 block of N. Beckley.  LHO got out, walked across the front of the cab at an angle, southbound.  Where would that take him?  The El Chico restaurant - where TF White wrote down a certain license plate that was traced to a certain Carl Mather etc.

Whaley later changed destination to 700 block, which fit better with WC timeline that had to get him to 10th and Patton - FAST.


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Originally, Whaley said he dropped off LHO in the 500 block of N. Beckley.  LHO got out, walked across the front of the cab at an angle, southbound.  Where would that take him?  The El Chico restaurant - where TF White wrote down a certain license plate that was traced to a certain Carl Mather etc.

Whaley later changed destination to 700 block, which fit better with WC timeline that had to get him to 10th and Patton - FAST.

Hey there Joe,

ORIGINALLY he says Neches and Beckley... repeatedly

The man in his cab was just as close to Ruby's apt as Oswald's...   what I always wondered was how did the killer and/or Tippit know to be walking down 10th?  Other than the neighbors on that street knowing Tippit as "Friendly" the neighborhood cop who was seen quite often around that street, enough so that they believed he may have even lived in the area.....

Any LNer know why Tippit would be so well known on that street, so far from his own beat?


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The CHAIRMAN. The witness has been driving a taxicab in Dallas for 36 years.
Mr. WHALEY. Thirty-seven, sir
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The CHAIRMAN. Thirty-seven.
Mr. WHALEY. You name an intersection in the city of Dallas and I will tell you what is on all four corners.
Mr. BALL. Did you stop and let your passenger out on this run on the north or south side of the intersection?
Mr. WHALEY. On the north side, sir.
Mr. BALL. North side?
Mr. WHALEY. Yes.
Mr. BALL. That would be--
Mr. WHALEY. Northwest corner.
Mr. BALL. Northwest corner of Neches and Beckley?
Mr. WHALEY. Northwest corner of Neches and Beckley


Mr. WHALEY. No, sir; that is not what I said, but that is the reason I didn't call one at the time and I asked him where he wanted to go. And he said, "500 North Beckley."
Well, I started up, I started to that address, and the police cars, the sirens was going, running crisscrossing everywhere, just a big uproar in that end of town and I said, "What the hell. I wonder what the hell is the uproar?"
And he never said anything. So I figured he was one of these people that don't like to talk so I never said any more to him.
But when I got pretty close to 500 block at Neches and North Beckley which is the 500 block, he said, "This will do fine," and I pulled over to the curb right there. He gave me a dollar bill, the trip was 95 cents. He gave me a dollar bill and didn't say anything, just got out and closed the door and walked around the front of the cab over to the other side of the street. Of course, traffic was moving through there and I put it in gear and moved on, that is the last I saw of him.
Mr. BALL. When you parked your car you parked on what street?
Mr. WHALEY. I wasn't parked, I was pulled to the curb on Neches and North Beckley.
Mr. BALL. Neches, corner of Neches and North Beckley?
Mr. WHALEY. Which is the 500 block.



Mr. BELIN. Why didn't you put it on your trip sheet for 700 instead of 500 North Beckley?
Mr. WHALEY. Because that is what he told me and that is what I remember when I wrote the trip up. I imagine there were hundreds of trip sheets, because people get off before they get where they are going. But I remember the thing that way.
Mr. BELIN. When did you first ascertain or start thinking about it that it was the 700 block of North Beckley where you let him off?
Mr. WHALEY. Well, when the FBI man got in my cab and he wanted to go over the route.
Mr. BELIN. When was this?
Mr. WHALEY. I don't know the exact date, sir, but it was the next week
Mr. BELIN. In the next week you told the FBI that it was the 700 block?
Mr. WHALEY. No, sir; I don't recall. I know I took him to where I let him out.
Mr. BELIN. You did?
Mr. WHALEY. Yes, sir.
Mr. BELIN. Did you ever tell anyone it was the 700 block of North Beckley?
Mr. WHALEY. No, sir. I left it said just like I had it on my trip sheet. Nobody else asked me about it.


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I wonder if Whaley was confusing Neches w/Neely - Neely is right there at the 500 block.

Was the El Chico a rendezvous location?  When Tippit left Top Ten Records he crossed Jefferson on Bishop, then hung a right on Sunset per Louis Cortinas.  If he drove a few blocks east to Beckley, turned left and went north a few more blocks north JD is right there at El Chico as well.


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If the direction is EAST, the station wagon can be at El Chico in a minute or two:

Dispatcher: 87
     
87: Was that 4340 West Davis?     
 
Dispatcher: Yes.     
 
87: 10-4.
     
Dispatcher: Somebody pulled in there and bought some gas; driving a white Pontiac '61 or '62 station wagon with the prefix P(ecos) E(llis). He had a rifle laying on the seat.     

87: 10-4
     
Dispatcher: Have a citizen following this car at this time, unknown direction.

Hard to believe they'd buy gas.  Using a pay-phone is another story.


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Well, somebody did it.


Hmm, Oswald just left the building that the president was shot from , went through the whole crowd and yet doesn't have the courtesy to tell the cabby that the president had just been shot when he asks what the commotion is about, just saying, that sounds like a guilty persons response to that question, to me.

Obviously the guy is talking about the five way intersection and not exactly Neches and Beckley as there is no Neches and Beckley at least on this map.

By the way, can't you tell when someone can't read ?


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CT; I don't know, I only know that it didn't happen the way the evidence says.

LN;  We should not use evidence in this case ?

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Hmm, Oswald just left the building that the president was shot from , went through the whole crowd and yet doesn't have the courtesy to tell the cabby that the president had just been shot when he asks what the commotion is about, just saying, that sounds like a guilty persons response to that question, to me.

Obviously the guy is talking about the five way intersection and not exactly Neches and Beckley as there is no Neches and Beckley at least on this map.

By the way, can't you tell when someone can't read ?

Mark, can you point out how Oswald would have known the President was shot at that time if he did not see the shooting?


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Mark, can you point out how Oswald would have known the President was shot at that time if he did not see the shooting?

You mean other than he was the guy that shot him ? ,lol

Why would he have left work if he didn't know what happened ?


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You mean other than he was the guy that shot him ? ,lol

Why would he have left work if he didn't know what happened ?
And that's probably the nail in the coffin that confirms Oswald was at the very least involved.  But....Oswald is such an enigma.  On one side, he appears to be the "Silly little Communist" that Jackie referred to him as, but then by steadfastly pleading ignorance and innocence, he loses his chance to grandstand for his cause.  The passion of the actions of which he is accused just don't seem to jive with the way he behaves during incarceration (what little we saw!).  He did it.  And the enigma of why will be debated forever.


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You mean other than he was the guy that shot him ? ,lol

Why would he have left work if he didn't know what happened ?

Humour me here......for the sake of argument, what is he didnt' see? What if he knew that his rifle was used but didn't know at the time of the shooting whether anyone had been shot. He puts 2 and 2 together and decides he better get away. How would he have known JFK was hit?

By your reasoning not saying anything has him guilty either way, so it proves nothing.


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Oswald/Hidell was being impersonated prior to 11/22/63 - any reasonable person would accept that.  The rifle range, his test-drive with Al Bogard, the photo of "him" in Mexico City.

I think that Hidell was supposed to take the blame - not the USMC/CIA anti-Castro Oswald.  Oswald was helping with the framing of Hidell.  Hidell was posing as Oswald and trying to infiltrate the plot, like he did with the arms cache seized in Lacombe, Louisiana.  The Hidell name was much easier to trace to the alleged JFK/JDT muder weapons and to Cuba.



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Oswald/Hidell was being impersonated prior to 11/22/63 - any reasonable person would accept that.  The rifle range, his test-drive with Al Bogard, the photo of "him" in Mexico City.

I think that Hidell was supposed to take the blame - not the USMC/CIA anti-Castro Oswald.  Oswald was helping with the framing of Hidell.  Hidell was posing as Oswald and trying to infiltrate the plot, like he did with the arms cache seized in Lacombe, Louisiana.  The Hidell name was much easier to trace to the alleged JFK/JDT muder weapons and to Cuba.


Joe are you saying Oswald was Hidell or just impersonating him? Either way what do you think about the Hidell photo id taken from Oswald?


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