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An enlargement of a backyard photo proves someone withheld evidence.

The Warren Commission misled us to believe that the Dallas Police found only one negative of the backyard photographs. They reported the negative of CE 133-A was never recovered.

Source: Warren Commission Report

"Using a recognized technique of determining whether a picture was taken with a particular camera, Shaneyfelt compared this negative with a negative which he made by taking a new picture with Oswald's camera. He concluded that the negative of Exhibit No. 133-B was exposed in Oswald's Imperial Reflex camera to the exclusion of all other cameras. He could not test Exhibit No. 133-A in the same way because the negative was never recovered."

They strengthened the report that the negative of CE 133-A was never recovered by Captain Fritz's description of how they made the 8 X 10 enlargement of CE 133-A.

Source: Warren Commission Report

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"At 6:00 p. m. I instructed the officers to bring Oswald back into the office, and in the presence of Jim Bookhout, Homicide officers, and Inspector Kelly, of the Secret Service, I showed Oswald an enlarged picture of him holding a rifle and wearing a pistol. This picture had been enlarged by our Crime Lab from a picture found in the garage at Mrs. Paine's home."

Suppose that the Dallas Police photographed CE 133-A and produced an intermediate negative. This negative would have recorded the three-dimensional scratches and tears on the transparent protective coating of CE 133-A as two-dimensional images. Making an enlargement from this intermediate negative would have transferred these two-dimensional features to CE 134. Obviously an enlargement made from an original negative would lack the two-dimensional images of the scratches and tears acquired by CE 133-A.

Of course, a microscopic examination of CE 134 would have told professionals at the FBI lab how the Dallas Police made the enlargement of CE 133-A. Clearly, the FBI either withheld or acquiesced in suppression of the original negative of CE 133-A.

The photographic panel of the HSCA sharply disputed the reported origins of CE 134.

Source: Report of the Photographic Panel  

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"(350) In the early afternoon of November 23, 1963, Dallas detectives obtained a warrant to search the Paine residence in Irving, Tex., where Marina Oswald had been living. (125) The search concentrated primarily in the garage in which possessions of the Oswalds were stored. Among the belongings, Dallas Police officials found a brown cardboard box containing personal papers and photographs, including two snapshot negatives of Oswald holding a rifle. (126) (Only one negative was made available to the Warren Commission; the other has never been accounted for.) (127)"

Without equivocation the photographic panel contradicted Shaneyfelt and asserted that the Dallas Police recovered the negative of CE 133A. Then the photograph panel disputed the report by Captain Fritz that this picture, CE 134, "had been enlarged by our Crime Lab from a picture found in the garage at Mrs. Paine's home." They explicitly called CE 134 a first generation print made from enlargement of the CE 133-A negative.

Source: Report of the Photographic Panel  

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(370) These items were selected because of the Panel's policy of working just with first generation prints and original negatives.(158) Only these types of materials contain the most reliable photographic information; subsequent generation materials tend to lose detail in highlight and shadow areas, suffer deterioration of tonal quality, and are prone to include new defects that may impair the accurate representation of the photographic image. CE 133-A, CE 133-B, 133A-de Mohrenschildt, 133C-Dees, 133C-Stovall and CE 134 were identified by the Panel as first generation prints. CE 749, the original negative to CE 133-B, was the only
negative recovered from the possession of the Dallas Police Department; consequently, it was the only original negative available to the Panel for analysis. There is no official record explaining why the Dallas Police Department failed to give the Warren Commission the other original negative. (159)"

Source: Report of the Photographic Panel
 
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"(386) Finally, CE 134 is an 8- by 10-inch enlargement of the CE 133-A negative. (See fig. IV-23) It apparently was reproduced by the Dallas Police Department by enlargement from the original negative with an easel set that accommodated 8- by 10-inch enlarging paper. The back of the photograph contains an impression from a rubber stamp identifying the Dallas Police Department. (See fig. IV-24) The emulsion scratches and tears are again evidence that this is a first generation print."

Without doubt, the photographic panel discredited the Warren Commission explanation of the origins of CE 134.

This postscript is based upon "Hicks signed receipt for two backyard negatives" posted on March 23, 2006.

The WC contradicted Detective Rose on two controversial issues. Rose claimed that a Minox camera and two negatives showing Lee Harvey Oswald holding a rifle were found during the search of the Paine residence. On this later issue the WC missed evidence which decisively supported Rose and indirectly boosted the credibility of his Minox report.

On November 23, 1963, Detective Rose submitted the two negatives, he never found, to the Identification Bureau of the Dallas Police Department. J. B. Hicks signed a receipt for the properties and noted 12 photos printed and given to Det. Rose.  

So how did this evidence escape detection for many decades? Probably someone misfiled the evidence and their fortunate accident accounts for the appearance of this receipt in   Box 1, Folder 3, Item 16  of the Dallas City Archives  

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 under the incorrect title of "CSS Form (Crime Scene Section) by R. M. Sims. Form concerning photographs of Lee Harvey Oswald with a rifle, (Carbon Copy), 11/23/63."

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However, a photocopy of this receipt appears in Box 7, Folder 2, Item 24

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and Box 9, Folder 4, Item 12 holds the original receipt.

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The titles distinguish the photocopy from the original and attribute the forms to G. F. Rose.  Both titles describe the subject as "Form concerning photographs of Lee Harvey Oswald with a rifle. . ."

The latter document has the phrase "negative also ret'd" written by a different hand beneath the last line of the previously described receipts.


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The Imperial Reflex camera was not a Polaroid and did not expose any photos of Oswald in the backyard with the rifle and the pistol.

Fortunately for you, Lamson, we are not discussing the flair of President Kennedy’s elbow. In this case someone who does not know the difference between negatives and photos would most likely confuse Kennedy’s elbow with you-know-what and really embarrass themselves.

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You are such a target rich environment herbie the headcase....



"A photograph (often shortened to photo) is an image created by light falling on a light-sensitive surface, usually photographic film or an electronic imager such as a CCD or a CMOS chip"

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We can play word games for days herbie, but in the case of the BY photos the PHOTOS were recorded on the FILM within the  camera. 

You have been reduced to s slobbering hulk.  How cool is that!  ROFLMAO!


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You are such a target rich environment herbie the headcase....



"A photograph (often shortened to photo) is an image created by light falling on a light-sensitive surface, usually photographic film or an electronic imager such as a CCD or a CMOS chip"

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We can play word games for days herbie, but in the case of the BY photos the PHOTOS were recorded on the FILM within the  camera.  

You have been reduced to s slobbering hulk.  How cool is that!  ROFLMAO!

People who do not count cannot account for necessity of distinguishing backyard negatives from backyard positve photographs. In particular within the first generation a negative begets an indefinite number of positive photographs while the negative does not reproduce itself.

Now are you going to equte a negative to a positive?

Herbert




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People who do not count cannot account for necessity of distinguishing backyard negatives from backyard positve photographs. In particular within the first generation a negative begets an indefinite number of positive photographs while the negative does not reproduce itself.

Now are you going to equte a negative to a positive?

Herbert




A negative is just the REVERSE of a positive HERBERT.  The photo IS the negative.  Just like a REVERSAL is the photo.  You can't HAVE ANY BACKYARD PHOTOS, without the original...THE PHOTO EXPOSED INSIDE THE CAMERA ON A PIECE OF FILM.  And an your 'infinite number of positives" are still the SAME PHOTO AS RECORDED ON THE ORIGINAL SOURCE PHOTO...the camera original negative.

You are such a headcase herbie, even when you try really hard you fail.  Maybe you should go back to being a factory mechanic.


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Yea, davie joe, hairdressers friend, lets DO stay on topic.  First how many photos were exposed in the backyard?  WHICH photo negatives can you prove the DPD had?

Good luck, you are going to need it .

BTW, you  posting on the taxpayer of California's dime again?



Lesson #1 - like the rest of the morons out there who haven't a clue I will explain slowly to you...  WE SELL A PRODUCT - WE DO NOT COLLECT TAXES FROM ANYONE.
Even a flea such as you can grasp that - no?

Lesson #2 - the Thread is called, "Missing Negative"  not , "let's ask a bunch of stupid question so people forget what the topic was" - SOP for CL the flea..

Lesson #3 - whan asked a question answer the question, not the voices in your head...  and supply something so that you can be believed

Go take a nap Craig... you're obviously a little overtired and cranky...  old people need to do that when they get that way...

Usually when people ask questions they dont know the asnwers to, they look forward to the discussion resulting from the research...  not you though.....
You THINK you have answers yet when actually pressed you dont say or offer anything in support of them...

So you tell us CL...  And state your supporting evidence for how many photos YOU THINK were exposed in that backyard...  then come tell us how many people actually saw the Oswald's AT Neely
at any time they lived there... 

CL, you are so far out of your league it's humorous... the wanna be photo dude thinks he has a clue about the assassination...  yet spends each waking day behaving like a flea...
SUCK   SUCK   SUCK

btw - you looked GREAT in A BUG'S LIFE...   


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Lesson #1 - like the rest of the morons out there who haven't a clue I will explain slowly to you...  WE SELL A PRODUCT - WE DO NOT COLLECT TAXES FROM ANYONE.
Even a flea such as you can grasp that - no?

Earth to davie joe....You work on the taxpayers DIME...they are the recipient of your "profit"  If you are posting while at work you are doing so on the taxpayers dime.  You would think that even a hairdressers "friend" could understand...no?

Lesson #2 - the Thread is called, "Missing Negative"  not , "let's ask a bunch of stupid question so people forget what the topic was" - SOP for CL the flea..

Why don't you try answering some that have been asked?  Oh wait YOU CAN'T


Lesson #3 - whan asked a question answer the question, not the voices in your head...  and supply something so that you can be believed

Sorry the true answers don't fit your fantasy.  Have you inhaled too much hairspray or scratchoff dust?

Go take a nap Craig... you're obviously a little overtired and cranky...  old people need to do that when they get that way...

Usually when people ask questions they dont know the asnwers to, they look forward to the discussion resulting from the research...  not you though.....
You THINK you have answers yet when actually pressed you dont say or offer anything in support of them...

I have plenty of answers to questions that CAN BE answered.  Unlike you I deal in Black AND WHITE and don't go mucking around trying to make opinion into fact.  The CT curse.  Your problem is the back and white answers usually kill you silly opinions.  I'm very well rested.  I only need to work less than 100 days a year to make a very big plie of money.  Life is very good inded.

So you tell us CL...  And state your supporting evidence for how many photos YOU THINK were exposed in that backyard...  then come tell us how many people actually saw the Oswald's AT Neely
at any time they lived there... 

I have NO IDEA how many photos were exposed, just like everyone else with a functioning brain.  Oh wait, that leaves you out.  So sorry.


CL, you are so far out of your league it's humorous... the wanna be photo dude thinks he has a clue about the assassination...  yet spends each waking day behaving like a flea...
SUCK   SUCK   SUCK

See you can't even get something THIS SIMPLE THING CORRECT when it has been stated directly to you many times over.  Sheesh you can't even split reality from fantasy anymore... 

I'm quite clear that I don't know nor do I want to know a "clue" about the assassination of JFK.  I'm interested it the photography and more to the point I'm interested in busting the backs of silly ct's like you who THINK they have a clue about the photography.


btw - you looked GREAT in A BUG'S LIFE...   

Good job hairspray...you just proved what a very weak stick you really are.  Congrats.


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