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It's always nice to have common objects in different films.

For instance, the couple in the background of Z381, and the shadow caused by the overpass in Z469.

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Both are seen in the Bell gif I have supplied.

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The Bell gif is 80 frames.

There is a BIG PROBLEM with these two segments.

It takes the limo approx the same amount of frames from what we see in Bell, as what we see in Z, for the rear end of the limo to be covered by the overpass shadow.

What's the problem???

Look at the position of the limo in relation to the couple in both films.

They are not even close, yet it takes the approx same number of frames for the limo to reach it's common point.

Reality says the limo should be much farther down the street than what we see in Z381 in order to match the frame count in Bell.

Now, think of the SS followup car as being in the approx position the limo is at Z381.

This should give you a pretty good idea as to how much time was erased from Z.

As a measuring tool, I used the light pole down on the north side of Elm, just ahead of the limo, that we see in the beginning of Bell.

Then timed how long it takes for the SS followup car to get to the same position.

It looks like at least 5 seconds and probably even longer.

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Nix ending frame.  Altgen's last photo of limo.

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Jackie starts her "too fast" slide back into her seat.

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Z doesn't fit with Bell. Previous post.

Bell film starts after previous mentioned actions.

Add selective splicing to the mix.

All occurring around the same time.

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Chris,

the Bell sequence with the limo towards the underpass does not have 80 frames in the original version. The Lost Bullet Bell sequence you chose for your example is 80+ frames because it is slowed down and contains inbetween frames that were created because NG used a slo-mo filter on them.

I'll post more when I have the time...


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Thanks Gerda,

I did not know they had created extra movement frames by using a slow motion filter.

The gif I created shows the movement in each frame.

Do you have a copy of an original Bell, (not Grodens), which shows this segment in its entirety?

thanks,

chris


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Chris,

this is the sequence in question. The source is "Groden" - I have another version from "Oswald's Ghost" on my hd, but was not able to find it, maybe later.

26 frames, 19fps, 1.7MB, source Groden
GIF:


This is the same version processed with a filter applied similar to what National Geographic used, my filter is called "MotionPerfect", I have slowed it down to ~1/4 with it, now the sequence contains 109 frames, including the newly created frames. You can easily detect these "inbetween" frames, they have a "wobbling" effect.
109 frames, 19fps, 5.6MB, Groden
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YouTube video, "MotionPerfect" applied to the Zapruder film:
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Hey there Chris..

Absolutely love the way you think btw...    just wish I could understand a bit better...

When I look at the frames of your gif... it seems to me that the limo takes forever to get from frame 40, the beginning of the overpass shadow...  to frame 70 or so to get the length of the limo into the shade...
it's as if the limo just stops...

Could be caused by the lens and distances involved...  but it still seems to take forever and even at the .06 per frame it still looks like slow motion....
I sped it up to .01 per frame and it STILL looks like slow motion...  that's 100 fps... and there is virtually no difference when viewing

How can it still look like slow motion at that frame rate?  Unless something is up with my software....

Can you please restate your premise based on what we see in the two images you posted....  I still do not see how Bell and Zap are related in your example

Thanks Chris...

btw...  not sure if you caught this:  Kellerman's testimony about when he turns after the "flurry" has Hill anbd Jackie already on the trunk...   As a guest, you are not allowed to view links. Register or Login
Cheers
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