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 January 26, 2012, 05:17:01 PM
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NEW YORK TIMES 29.11.63 "A gunsmith from Irving said on the 29.11.64 that he mounted a telescopic sight on a gun for a man named Oswald, a month ago [I.e. end of October 63] The gunsmith, Dial D Ryder, said that he could not remember what the gun looked like and could not remember the customer. Mr Ryder found a receipt showing that he had mounted and adjusted a sight on a gun for a customer named Oswald. There was no date on the receipt, he said, but the work was done about a month ago. The customer paid $4.50 for the drilling of the barrel and $1.50 for the bore sighting..." Seeing as Oswald allegedly bought a rifle already fitted with a telescopic sight why would he want to have it drilled and another telescopic sight fitted? If it was Oswald, that is....... 
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January 29, 2012, 04:11:37 PM
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They did NOT know of the motorcade or the route it would take. Not until the 18th of November. So "setting up" Oswald in October is pretty unlikely. Furthermore, we don't actually know the date, do we? About a month ago, thats nailing it down, isn't it? The gunsmith would only have to be off the mark by 6 days in his estimate, for the work to have been done before Oswald started working at the TSBD, in other words before your conspirators even could know he would be working along part of the motorcade route that hadn't been determined or announced yet.
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"you're the cop, you figure it out"
-Lee H. Oswald to Dallas Police detectives, weekend
of 11-22-63.
"Part of the reason why we avoided talking about this thing, because every time you say something, somebody misinterprets what you say."
-James. J. Humes, excerpt of ARRB statement, 2-13-96
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January 29, 2012, 10:49:41 PM
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Probably not. The plan for JFKs Dallas trip was not yet designed. So i doubt very much conspirators could have been setting up Oswald, Lee Harvey. Unless they were conspirators and mediums too, who could forsee the the future.
Is it not possible that these sightings were related to some other operation involving Oswald?
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January 30, 2012, 12:40:52 AM
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They did NOT know of the motorcade or the route it would take. Not until the 18th of November. So "setting up" Oswald in October is pretty unlikely. Furthermore, we don't actually know the date, do we? About a month ago, thats nailing it down, isn't it? The gunsmith would only have to be off the mark by 6 days in his estimate, for the work to have been done before Oswald started working at the TSBD, in other words before your conspirators even could know he would be working along part of the motorcade route that hadn't been determined or announced yet.
They? Who is THEY? You mean the conspirators. You mean the top people in the CIA did not even know about the motorcade until they read it in the newspaper? And why would the conspirators order Oswald to change the scope? The scope on the rifle was mounted by Klein's. You are not making any sense.
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January 30, 2012, 06:35:52 AM
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It must have been another Oswald who also lived in Irving. Couldn't possibly have been somebody setting up Oswald, now, could it? Ryder's WC testimony......seek and ye shall find......or not Mr. LIEBELER. Now, as far as outside of the shop is concerned, you see, I'm troubled to some extent because I have before me a report of the agent from the Secret Service and a report from the agent of the FBI. One report says you are quite sure you have seen and talked to Oswald and the other one says you are quite sure you have not seen him. I am puzzled by those statements.Mr. RYDER. Like I continue to say all the way through on their investigation, both that Secret Service man and from the FBI that he could have been in the shop; I could have talked to him but to say I had definitely, I couldn't say I have really talked to him. Mr. LIEBELER. Could you say you definitely have ever seen him outside of the shop anyplace? Mr. RYDER. No, sir; I don't believe I have. I mean I couldn't say specific because back again to the common features, so on and so forth, but, actually, we have drawn a conclusion, of course, that is, I and the boys and people concerned at the sport shop there that it was either this Oswald with another gun or another Oswald with another gun. We know definitely that it was another gun. We know that for sure. Mr. LIEBELER. And you have already carefully considered the possibility of identifying that other gun but you are not able to do it? Mr. RYDER. Right; Mr. Greener called all the other Oswalds listed in the Dallas and Irving directories. Mr. LIEBELER. He did that? Mr. RYDER. Right, with no avail; in other words, nothing turned up.
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January 30, 2012, 07:26:57 AM
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According to the CT side, absolutely. Everything that happened is all about framing him, right? Even though the theory creates more unanswered questions. Things get very convoluted, and quickly get out of hand.
According to my stance, first of all nobody has any fact or evidence to base a conlusion that it was Lee who had the work done. You can't just make that connection without a basis for it. Oswald could be anyone, even a first name.
Best anyone can do is file the information in the "maybe" file. It has to remain there, and not be used by either side of this debate. Its worthless as evidence for either house.
You are aware that there was circumstantial corroboration provided by two women in an Irving furniture store to an Oswald who needed work on a gun?
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January 30, 2012, 07:34:51 AM
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The trip was first planned in June 1963 and publicly announced in September 1963. The perps didn't have to be mediums as they knew well before October.
This is simply an incorrect statement. Do you wish to elaborate further?
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January 30, 2012, 09:15:37 AM
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This is simply an incorrect statement. Do you wish to elaborate further?
Would you like to elaborate on your statement of which part is incorrect?
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