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Problem Solved. No boxes were moved in the Snipers Nest window!  (Read 1675 times)

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Problem Solved.
Recently I was confronted with the snipers nest window and the moving boxes.
If Baker and Truly saw Oswald on the 2nd floor how does he move boxes in the snipers nest too?
The answer is so obvious, I kick myself for not working it out sooner.


It's a simple matter of perspective and the distance the boxes are from the window.




Here you can clearly see that the boxes in the snipers nest window were 3-4 feet behind the window
The sunlight falls similarly on the adjoining windows and creates shadows from the frames on the boxes.





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HSCA
House Select Committee on Assassinations Final Report


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"The panel studied two photographs taken within minutes of the assassination. While no human face or form could be detected
in the sixth floor southeast window, the panel was able to conclude that a stack of boxes had been rearranged during the
interval of the taking of the two photographs."


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House Select Committee on Assassinations Final Report


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"The panel studied two photographs taken within minutes of the assassination. While no human face or form could be detected
in the sixth floor southeast window, the panel was able to conclude that a stack of boxes had been rearranged during the
interval of the taking of the two photographs."




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If the photo's the HSCA analysed are from Dillard and Powell as in my photo then they were simply wrong!
BTW every other photo i found shows the same box configuration, from whatever angle.
If you can find any photo's that you think show moving boxes, bring it on!


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If the photo's the HSCA analysed are from Dillard and Powell as in my photo then they were simply wrong!
BTW every other photo i found shows the same box configuration, from whatever angle.
If you can find any photo's that you think show moving boxes, bring it on!


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The photos the HSCA studied are the same ones that are in Robin's Gallery here.

When funding for the HSCA ran out one of their recommendations was the Justice Department keep the investigation open.

One of the reasons they thought it should be kept open was what those photos showed.


I'm more interested in the person who supposedly took one of the photos, Powell.

I always thought it was odd that he got locked inside the TSBD when it was sealed after the shots.

He then produces a photo that infers he was outside when the shots were fired.

He wouldn't lie would he?

From the testimony of Robert Jones, who was James Powell's boss on 11-22-63:

Mr. Genzman. I have several other names I would like to ask you about. Was James W. Powell one of these liaison personnel?
Mr. Jones: Yes, he was a Captain and also wore civilian clothes and was assigned to Region 2 of the 112 MI Group.
Mr. Genzman: Was he, in fact, on duty the day of the assassination?
Mr. Jones: Yes he was.
 
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From James Powell's testimony to the AARB:

Wray: Let me turn now to the events around the 22nd of November, 1963. Do you recall when or how you learned that the President was going to visit Dallas? Did you learn the day before, two days before, a week before, a month before? Do you have any impression of how long you learned about this?
Powell: To be very honest with you, no. I'm sure like everyone else I read it in the paper and heard about it. It was interesting enough that I asked for time off, a leave of absence from my regular duties so I could see the motorcade, so I could go out to the airport and see the president. And I was hoping to get a few pictures. But I don't remember specifically how long before. I'd say in the neighborhood of a week, probably.





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I've studied the various photos over time. With my mind open, but that doesn't mean willing to jump on "the boxes moved mean its a conspiracy" bndwagon. I don't see how anyone can make the conclusions they make, based on photos taken from much different angles. And, I don't care what the HSCA concluded, they made a lot of other errors too. I am not convinced.
What would seal the case is pictures taken from the same location that clearly show boxes have been moved.
That said, I would also add that a bit later on during the day, it is likely that the DPD moved the boxes around. For example, how does one dust them for fingerprints, thoroughly, without having to move them around? If you assume the bottom side of a box, because of the way it is carried, would be one of the sides more likely to have prints on it, how do you dust the bottom sides and corners for prints without moving the box?


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I've studied the various photos over time. With my mind open, but that doesn't mean willing to jump on "the boxes moved mean its a conspiracy" bndwagon. I don't see how anyone can make the conclusions they make, based on photos taken from much different angles. And, I don't care what the HSCA concluded, they made a lot of other errors too. I am not convinced.
What would seal the case is pictures taken from the same location that clearly show boxes have been moved.
That said, I would also add that a bit later on during the day, it is likely that the DPD moved the boxes around. For example, how does one dust them for fingerprints, thoroughly, without having to move them around? If you assume the bottom side of a box, because of the way it is carried, would be one of the sides more likely to have prints on it, how do you dust the bottom sides and corners for prints without moving the box?




 

DUH.

Why were there not Oswald prints found on the boxes that Oswald used to make the nest???

Alzheimer's?


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Problem Solved.

Thank you John for searching to resolve this sniper nest box problem. Unfortunately, you are false.
Powell was on the sidewalk and dillard on the street. The amount of light was the same for both photographers and they used the same combination of Diaphragm/spedd to get a pcture, so, no way of having the same amount of light for a box in the sun and another in the shadow far behind the window.

You could verify that with a 3d model or by making a paper or wood model by yourself. The boxes from powell picture were 20 centimeters behind the window and very close to the edge of the window. I didn't expect that somebody contest that. Boxes far behind the window were almost not illuminated in both pictures, they cannot be mixed. Anyway, i expected contestation about the moment but not the re arrangement, so i will generate 3d from both arrangements.  

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so it would be more logical to post your answer on the original thread instead of posting my picture without quoting, especially if you don't want
to let a false mystery alive.... but it's a convenient way to kill a subject without contestation  " problem solved" " "hsca were wrong"
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Bob Prudhomme and John Mytton raised the problem of rearrangement of the boxes in the 6th floor East window. Dunno if we are talking of the same thing. I have a problem about postion of the boxes from outside.
On this picture, side by side , we see different position of the boxes at 12h30.
The different perspective does not explain the position of supplementary boxes at 12h30.
It is not the only problem. renactment pictures and others show different arrangements.
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According to Powell, he made the right picture 30 seconds after hearing a shot. According to Jarman and Williams, they were not hanging out the window 1 minute after  the third shot.
Anyway,  what happened to the box during this minute?
Jarman testimony:
Mr. BALL - How long was it before you ran down to the west end, from the time of the shots until you ran down to the west end, about how much time do you think it was?
Mr. BALL - After the third shot was fired I would say it was about a minute.


Bonnie ray williams testimony

Mr. WILLIAMS. I think Jarman, he I think he moved before any of us. He moved towards us, and he said, "Man, somebody is shooting at the President." And I think I said again, "No bull  cop." And then we all kind of got excited, you know, and, as I remember, I don't remember him saying that he thought the shots came from overhead. But we all decided we would run down to the west side of the building.
Mr. BALL. You ran down to the west side of the building?
Mr. WILLIAMS. Yes, sir.
Representative FORD.Ran down to the west side? You mean you were still on the fifth floor?
Mr. WILLIAMS. Yes; we were on the fifth floor, the east side of the building. We saw the policemen and people running, scared, running--there are some tracks on the west side of the building, railroad tracks. They were running. towards that way.


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The powell and dillard are made between 12h30 and 12h31 according to three
testimonies Jarman-William and Powell. Maybe some Allen visible on the contact sheets could help.

Happily, the angle of the sun put shadows on the bricks patterns and allow to see that they were made within the same minute. I'm now trying to see by the evolution of the shadow on the brick patterns which picture was made before the other one. And this is how the window looked when the limo came to houston street.
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After having ckecked, Dillard Picture made have been taken 30 seconds before Powell , no more. The bricks and window pattern with shadows are the same except one tiny centimeter of white wood in the top center of the fifth floor window, a very tiny difference, so.. 30 seconds between Dillard and Powell. About powell's location; he was at the west north edge of the sidewalk houston and elm, at the feets of the record building.

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Problem Solved.
Recently I was confronted with the snipers nest window and the moving boxes.
If Baker and Truly saw Oswald on the 2nd floor how does he move boxes in the snipers nest too?
The answer is so obvious, I kick myself for not working it out sooner.


It's a simple matter of perspective and the distance the boxes are from the window.

Omg... with an attitude like that you would be considered a traitor in my country.

You are a threat to democracy.


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Much of John Mytton cames from his avatar, an awesome old man from old school, but this man is  Earl Warren.


About the so called  " angle and light " trick, this is below an image of the POWELL objects as seen by DILLARD position. The boxes are not as the same place.
It only proove that we all have a lot of work to do. If a LN shooter was here, he occupied a good part of the 6th floor west window  and put boxes somewhere else after 12h30.

Those who want to check can use pieces of sugar through a hole in paper.

The amount of light falling on the boxes is the same on all boxes   155-165/256.

This is different on the Dillard boxes   182/256 th difference between the boxes near the window and those in the background.

so .. PROBLEM NOT SOLVED.
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Much of John Mytton cames from his avatar, an awesome old man from old school, but this man is  Earl Warren.


About the so called  " angle and light " trick, this is below an image of the POWELL objects as seen by DILLARD position. The boxes are not as the same place.
It only proove that we all have a lot of work to do. If a LN shooter was here, he occupied a good part of the 6th floor west window  and put boxes somewhere else after 12h30.

Those who want to check can use pieces of sugar through a hole in paper.

The amount of light falling on the boxes is the same on all boxes   155-165/256.

This is different on the Dillard boxes   182/256 th difference between the boxes near the window and those in the background.

so .. PROBLEM NOT SOLVED.
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Don't feel too sorry for John. He's paid to write this stuff, so don't blame him for the stupid content of his material. He's not as dumb as his posts make out.

 


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He's not as dumb as his posts make out.

Are you sure about that Bob ?


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Are you sure about that Bob ?

I am trying to be generous here, Paul.

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