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 January 20, 2012, 07:59:34 PM
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Where did Oswald get this ammo from
1: Western Cartridge case's and Remington-Peters lead bullet's
2: Four Caranco rounds 5 if you believe he shot at Walker
So how could Oswald get his hands on the mixture ammo for his hand gun?
Did Oswald just walk in to a gun shop and say i just need 5 rounds for my rifle and no more and just enough rounds to load and reload my handgun!
There no place that would break up a box of ammo to sell just part of it.
The FBI check all gunshop and other places that sold ammo and none sold any ammo to Oswald.
So where did he get it?
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January 21, 2012, 02:38:50 AM
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Where did Oswald get this ammo from
1: Western Cartridge case's and Remington-Peters lead bullet's
2: Four Caranco rounds 5 if you believe he shot at Walker
So how could Oswald get his hands on the mixture ammo for his hand gun?
Did Oswald just walk in to a gun shop and say i just need 5 rounds for my rifle and no more and just enough rounds to load and reload my handgun!
There no place that would break up a box of ammo to sell just part of it.
The FBI check all gunshop and other places that sold ammo and none sold any ammo to Oswald.
So where did he get it?
No one knows where Oswald bought his ammo. He likely had to buy a box of 20 WCC rounds and may have shot 15 for practice. As for the handgun ammo small shops used to sell loose ammo in bags, 20 rounds. Maybe not the same brands in the bag. With handguns like that the brand did not matter as much as it did with rifles.
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January 22, 2012, 12:04:09 PM
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I'd read somewhere that the revolver ammo was often sold in mixed batches, various gunshops would take spent cartridges and reload them for sale. The question is, how many varying brands of shell casing companies were there in circulation in Dallas at the time? two? three? seven or eight?
We know LHO had the same mixture of shell casings as the two types found at the Tippit scene, but if those two shell casings were the only two types, or the mos prevalent/popular types circulating in Dallas at the time, does this make it more or less likely that the same mix found at the scene would be the same mix found on LHO.
TBH, can you be sure that the Tippit shells were in fact the same shells found at the scene? There are supposedly problems with the chain of evidence, like practically everything else in this case apparently.
And the rifle ammo? I read somewhere that it was over 20 yrs old, where an average of 6 or 7 out of 12 rounds would misfire. I also read somewhere that someone had dug up some info. on the batches of ammo and they had been linked to batches bought by the CIA. Dunno if any of this is true or just the usual BS though.
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January 22, 2012, 03:52:16 PM
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I'd read somewhere that the revolver ammo was often sold in mixed batches, various gunshops would take spent cartridges and reload them for sale. The question is, how many varying brands of shell casing companies were there in circulation in Dallas at the time? two? three? seven or eight?
We know LHO had the same mixture of shell casings as the two types found at the Tippit scene, but if those two shell casings were the only two types, or the mos prevalent/popular types circulating in Dallas at the time, does this make it more or less likely that the same mix found at the scene would be the same mix found on LHO.
TBH, can you be sure that the Tippit shells were in fact the same shells found at the scene? There are supposedly problems with the chain of evidence, like practically everything else in this case apparently.
And the rifle ammo? I read somewhere that it was over 20 yrs old, where an average of 6 or 7 out of 12 rounds would misfire. I also read somewhere that someone had dug up some info. on the batches of ammo and they had been linked to batches bought by the CIA. Dunno if any of this is true or just the usual BS though.
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Vestan For the 38 Special ammunition, it is probably a safe bet to state that your numbers are quite low. In 2nd place only to the .22 rimfire, the 38 Special was for years the most popular handgun cartridge in America, and elsewhere on the planet. Even now, in a place like Dallas, there would likely be dozens of brands of 38 Special ammunition on the shelves. The rifle ammunition he used, as far as I know, was manufactured shortly after the end of WW2. Some say in the mid 1950s. I have heard that the Italian ammunition from the war and before was unreliable, but I've never heard that about the WW ammunition Oswald used.
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January 23, 2012, 06:06:31 PM
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No one knows where Oswald bought his ammo.
He likely had to buy a box of 20 WCC rounds and may have shot 15 for practice.
As for the handgun ammo small shops used to sell loose ammo in bags, 20 rounds. Maybe not the same brands in the bag.
With handguns like that the brand did not matter as much as it did with rifles.
Shocker! Tony is making up excuses and lame assumptions for the LNers! Go figure!
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January 23, 2012, 09:09:23 PM
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Like was said all gun shops in the area was check and no one sold ammo to Oswald.
There is a document out there saying that the USMC in 1954 brought the 6.6 mm ammo the same ammo that the Caranco used.
Why would the USMC need that type of ammo?
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January 24, 2012, 07:23:05 AM
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Like was said all gun shops in the area was check and no one sold ammo to Oswald.
There is a document out there saying that the USMC in 1954 brought the 6.6 mm ammo the same ammo that the Caranco used.
Why would the USMC need that type of ammo?
well, considering that the carcano was quite popular with castro and his boys - prior to the revolution - and that fidel did receive, initially, some support from certain interested americans -always good to have a foot in each camp- well,....not to mention that the rifle used to kill kennedy was most definitely not the one ordered from klein's, or that oswald tried (unsuccessfully) to buy carcano(s) from castro's old gun running buddy. additionally, carcanos were utilized in the balkans by antifascists during ww2, and anti communists post ww2... draw your own conclusions.
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January 24, 2012, 11:20:48 AM
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Like was said all gun shops in the area was check and no one sold ammo to Oswald.
There is a document out there saying that the USMC in 1954 brought the 6.6 mm ammo the same ammo that the Caranco used.
Why would the USMC need that type of ammo?
Nope, you are not reporting this correctly. They did not find anyone who could remember selling ammunition to Oswald, which is not the same as stating "no one sold ammo to Oswald." This is the CT method, so its not a shocker. The law did not require records be kept for ammunition sales. Between the time Oswald got his Carcano, and when they checked to see if anyone could remember selling ammunition to him, just how many people purchased ammunition in these shops they checked? Do you CTs ever ask, do you acknowledge that records of ammunition sales were not kept and that its safe to bet that 1000s of customers purchased ammunition in these shops? Of course you don't, because the CTs never report all of the facts, just the ones that seem to emphasize a conspiracy. God forbid you should operate with 100% of the facts on hand. Or not twist, in some way, the ones you pick out, like you have here. The purchase of the ammunition by the US Government was to evaluate the cartridge and rifle. At the end of WW2 1000s of these guns were suddenly at the disposal of the US and it's Allies. They wanted to see if the rifle could be potentially utilized in any areas by some of the ongoing military operations dealing with defense.
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January 24, 2012, 01:47:31 PM
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God forbid you should operate with 100% of the facts on hand. Or not twist, in some way, the ones you pick out,
You should have the WC that ...... 
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January 26, 2012, 08:06:25 AM
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Like was said all gun shops in the area was check and no one sold ammo to Oswald.
There is a document out there saying that the USMC in 1954 brought the 6.6 mm ammo the same ammo that the Caranco used.
Why would the USMC need that type of ammo?
The FBI agent said in his report that is was probably intended for the CIA. And just because no shop owner wanted to admit that he sold Oswald the ammo does not mean that no local gun shop sold it to Oswald. Some people still suspect Mason Masen.
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January 27, 2012, 08:33:51 PM
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The FBI agent said in his report that is was probably intended for the CIA.
And just because no shop owner wanted to admit that he sold Oswald the ammo does not mean that no local gun shop sold it to Oswald. Some people still suspect Mason.
i think you mean "MASEN". and he is a possibility.
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