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I have just been reading this thread over on JREF. It appears all the Randi acolytes have attempted to debunk all CT surrounding the JFK assassination on one thread. It's been interesting reading, but I don't feel that Robert Prey is the best of people to be putting forward the case for conspiracy, he's had his ass handed to him right through out the thread apparently.

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Still, interesting reading. I wonder if any of the guys on here would be interested in taking up a real challenge and taking on the JREF posse? I'd love to see these guys eat some humble pie.

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I have just been reading this thread over on JREF. It appears all the Randi acolytes have attempted to debunk all CT surrounding the JFK assassination on one thread. It's been interesting reading, but I don't feel that Robert Prey is the best of people to be putting forward the case for conspiracy, he's had his ass handed to him right through out the thread apparently.

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Still, interesting reading. I wonder if any of the guys on here would be interested in taking up a real challenge and taking on the JREF posse? I'd love to see these guys eat some humble pie.

Cheers.

I've been looking at that thread there from time to time since it began. I rate it pretty low in quality, from both sides. Prey is the only CTer there and he is very poorly equipped. I have seen other threads there where a single poster has held his own against the swarm. Prey was long ago stung to death.


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By the quality of the posts they all need to be spoon fed their lunch....Literally!  rofl

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I've been looking at that thread there from time to time since it began. I rate it pretty low in quality, from both sides.

LOL .. what makes you say that it is pretty low in quality? I feel it’s just the standard fare within the debates surrounding the case. A case of same conclusions driving re-evaluation, different day .. or forum .. or people and their versions of the truth involved.

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Prey is the only CTer there and he is very poorly equipped. I have seen other threads there where a single poster has held his own against the swarm. Prey was long ago stung to death.

Stung to death? .. hehe, I agree.

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By the quality of the posts they all need to be spoon fed their lunch....Literally!  rofl

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Randi acolytes like to champion the fact that they are critical thinkers. Apparently in the JFK assassination, in order to understand conspiracy you have to apply critical thinking to the gaps in the official record, which is where conspiracy theory arises throughout the case. I was actually looking for a reasoned debate with a lot of critical thinking applied from these guys – it appears that may just be an impossibility with regards to this case.

Is it with regards to the JFK assassination that you have to be heavily polarized into one camp or the other to start to make sense out of it?

Still, it was interesting for me to see these same patterns repeated, as they are on forums like this one.

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I have just been reading this thread over on JREF. It appears all the Randi acolytes have attempted to debunk all CT surrounding the JFK assassination on one thread. It's been interesting reading, but I don't feel that Robert Prey is the best of people to be putting forward the case for conspiracy, he's had his ass handed to him right through out the thread apparently.

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Still, interesting reading. I wonder if any of the guys on here would be interested in taking up a real challenge and taking on the JREF posse? I'd love to see these guys eat some humble pie.

Cheers.

One thing you have to remember about the Randi forum is that they all work for the CIA.


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I'd love to see you over their Anthony .. dropping a few fact bombs .. cracking skulls .. etc. .. hehe.  clapxx

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Randi acolytes like to champion the fact that they are critical thinkers. Apparently in the JFK assassination, in order to understand conspiracy you have to apply critical thinking to the gaps in the official record, which is where conspiracy theory arises throughout the case. I was actually looking for a reasoned debate with a lot of critical thinking applied from these guys – it appears that may just be an impossibility with regards to this case.

Is it with regards to the JFK assassination that you have to be heavily polarized into one camp or the other to start to make sense out of it?

Still, it was interesting for me to see these same patterns repeated, as they are on forums like this one.

Cheers.

Vestan
It makes one wonder why these LN'ers are on these forums 24/7 for years, posting the same things day in and day out. The WC and HSCA both deemed that LHO was the lone assassin and not part of a conspiracy. In other words, their case is won and they have  nothing to prove.

It baffles me; why do they try so hard? The only conclusion I can draw is someone is paying them to post on these forums. Do you agree?


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Whats so funny lads is the gross cliches and outright lies these guys state. You'd think we all worshipped Jim Fetzer, Jack White and all believed in every piece of crap evidence out there.
It's an effective tool really focus on the kooks and cranks like JF and co. Ignore all the genuine researchers out there. Indeed, Jack White and JF are the clear minority report in JFK'dom.
Classic ploy. Robert Prey he's either naive or a straw candidate set up so those guys could round on him and look good.


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The end of the thread offers a simple challenge

Post a picture of the blowout... MATERIAL EVIDENCE that the back of his head was opened up
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But, go ahead and show a screen grab of the Zapruder film with the blowout circled with your red crayon.

Until I can post over there I will address it here...  Here are the words of an SS agent to a group headed by the Chief Justice of the Supreme court....
The ONLY PERSON to come to the aid of the dying president...

Is there any reason you can think of for him NOT to be telling the truth about what he saw?


Mr. SPECTER. What did you observe as to President Kennedy's condition on arrival at the hospital?
Mr. HILL. The right rear portion of his head was missing. It was lying in the rear seat of the car. His brain was exposed. There was blood and bits of brain all over the entire rear portion of the car. Mrs. Kennedy was completely covered with blood. There was so much blood you could not tell if there had been any other wound or not, except for the one large gaping wound in the right rear portion of the head.

Mr. SPECTER. What did you observe about the President with respect to his wounds?
Mr. GREER. His head was all shot, this whole part was all a matter of blood like he had been hit.
Mr. SPECTER. Indicating the top and right rear side of the head?
Mr. GREER. Yes, sir; it looked like that was all blown off.

Mr. KELLERMAN. Yes. Good. There was enough for me to verify that the man was hit. So, in the same motion I come right back and grabbed the speaker and said to the driver, "Let's get out of here; we are hit," and grabbed the mike and I said, "Lawson, this is Kellerman,"--this is Lawson, who is in the front car. "We are hit; get us to the hospital immediately." Now, in the seconds that I talked just now, a flurry of shells come into the car. I then looked back and this time Mr. Hill, who was riding on the left front bumper of our followup car, was on the back trunk of that car; the President was sideways down into. the back seat.

Mr. SPECTER. All right. Now, when the flurry occurred then, were you still facing forward talking into the microphone to Lawson?
Mr. KELLERMAN. That is right.
Mr. SPECTER. All right. Then precisely what was your next movement after completing the delivery of that message to Lawson?
Mr. KELLERMAN. When I completed the delivery of those instructions to Lawson, I just hung up the receiver and looked back.
Mr. SPECTER. To your right this time--to your left; pardon me.
Mr. KELLERMAN. To my left; that is right. This is when I first viewed Mr. Hill, who was on the back of the--
Mr. SPECTER. Precisely where was he in that instant?
Mr. KELLERMAN. Lying right across the trunk of the car with Mrs. Kennedy on the left rear, Mr. Hill's head was right up in back of her.

I include this here to once again illustrate the differences between the Zfilm and memory...  Hill was not on the trunk until AFTER z345, nor was Jackie up out of her seat until then...
There is NOT WAY Kellerman is referring to z313 in his testimony...  for we all know that Hill did not reach the limo until z340

and if you read his testimony carefully...  Kellerman basically tells us that there was a small entry wound at the base of theneck as ToM Purvis and Lipsey, among others, have eluded to...


Mr. SPECTER. Will you repeat that, Mr. Kellerman?
Mr. KELLERMAN. President Kennedy had four wounds, two in the head and shoulder and the neck. Governor Connally, from our reports, had three. There have got to be more than three shots.

Mr. SPECTER. I would like to develop your understanding and your observations of the four wounds on President Kennedy.
Mr. KELLERMAN. OK. This all transpired in the morgue of the Naval Hospital in Bethesda, sir. He had a large wound this size.
Mr. SPECTER. Indicating a circle with your finger of the diameter of 5 inches; would that be approximately correct?
Mr. KELLERMAN. Yes, circular; yes, on this part of the head.
Mr. SPECTER. Indicating the rear portion of the head
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Mr. KELLERMAN. Yes.
Mr. SPECTER. More to the right side of the head?
Mr. KELLERMAN. Right. This was removed.
Mr. SPECTER. When you say, "This was removed," what do you mean by this?
Mr. KELLERMAN. The skull part was removed
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Mr. SPECTER. All right.
Representative FORD. Above the ear and back?
Mr. KELLERMAN. To the left of the ear, sir, and a little high; yes. About right in here.
Mr. SPECTER. When you say "removed," by that do you mean that it was absent when you saw him, or taken off by the doctor?
Mr. KELLERMAN. It was absent when I saw him.
Mr. SPECTER. Fine. Proceed.
Mr. KELLERMAN. Entry into this man's head was right below that wound, right here.
Mr. SPECTER. Indicating the bottom of the hairline immediately to the right of the ear about the lower third of the ear?
Mr. KELLERMAN. Right. But it was in the hairline, sir.
Mr. SPECTER. In his hairline?
Mr. KELLERMAN. Yes, sir.
Mr. SPECTER. Near the end of his hairline?
Mr. KELLERMAN. Yes, sir.
Mr. SPECTER. What was the size of that aperture?
Mr. KELLERMAN. The little finger.
Mr. SPECTER. Indicating the diameter of the little finger.
Mr. KELLERMAN. Right.


Using this photo...  please place a pinky sized bullet hole to the RIGHT of the ear at the hairline  (Can you think of any possible way that a bullet to the right of the right ear enters BEHIND that ear? Towards the EOP ?)









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The end of the thread offers a simple challenge

Post a picture of the blowout... MATERIAL EVIDENCE that the back of his head was opened up
.

Until I can post over there I will address it here...  Here are the words of an SS agent to a group headed by the Chief Justice of the Supreme court....
The ONLY PERSON to come to the aid of the dying president...

Is there any reason you can think of for him NOT to be telling the truth about what he saw?


Mr. SPECTER. What did you observe as to President Kennedy's condition on arrival at the hospital?
Mr. HILL. The right rear portion of his head was missing. It was lying in the rear seat of the car. His brain was exposed. There was blood and bits of brain all over the entire rear portion of the car. Mrs. Kennedy was completely covered with blood. There was so much blood you could not tell if there had been any other wound or not, except for the one large gaping wound in the right rear portion of the head.

Mr. SPECTER. What did you observe about the President with respect to his wounds?
Mr. GREER. His head was all shot, this whole part was all a matter of blood like he had been hit.
Mr. SPECTER. Indicating the top and right rear side of the head?
Mr. GREER. Yes, sir; it looked like that was all blown off.

Mr. KELLERMAN. Yes. Good. There was enough for me to verify that the man was hit. So, in the same motion I come right back and grabbed the speaker and said to the driver, "Let's get out of here; we are hit," and grabbed the mike and I said, "Lawson, this is Kellerman,"--this is Lawson, who is in the front car. "We are hit; get us to the hospital immediately." Now, in the seconds that I talked just now, a flurry of shells come into the car. I then looked back and this time Mr. Hill, who was riding on the left front bumper of our followup car, was on the back trunk of that car; the President was sideways down into. the back seat.

Mr. SPECTER. All right. Now, when the flurry occurred then, were you still facing forward talking into the microphone to Lawson?
Mr. KELLERMAN. That is right.
Mr. SPECTER. All right. Then precisely what was your next movement after completing the delivery of that message to Lawson?
Mr. KELLERMAN. When I completed the delivery of those instructions to Lawson, I just hung up the receiver and looked back.
Mr. SPECTER. To your right this time--to your left; pardon me.
Mr. KELLERMAN. To my left; that is right. This is when I first viewed Mr. Hill, who was on the back of the--
Mr. SPECTER. Precisely where was he in that instant?
Mr. KELLERMAN. Lying right across the trunk of the car with Mrs. Kennedy on the left rear, Mr. Hill's head was right up in back of her.

I include this here to once again illustrate the differences between the Zfilm and memory...  Hill was not on the trunk until AFTER z345, nor was Jackie up out of her seat until then...
There is NOT WAY Kellerman is referring to z313 in his testimony...  for we all know that Hill did not reach the limo until z340

and if you read his testimony carefully...  Kellerman basically tells us that there was a small entry wound at the base of theneck as ToM Purvis and Lipsey, among others, have eluded to...


Mr. SPECTER. Will you repeat that, Mr. Kellerman?
Mr. KELLERMAN. President Kennedy had four wounds, two in the head and shoulder and the neck. Governor Connally, from our reports, had three. There have got to be more than three shots.

Mr. SPECTER. I would like to develop your understanding and your observations of the four wounds on President Kennedy.
Mr. KELLERMAN. OK. This all transpired in the morgue of the Naval Hospital in Bethesda, sir. He had a large wound this size.
Mr. SPECTER. Indicating a circle with your finger of the diameter of 5 inches; would that be approximately correct?
Mr. KELLERMAN. Yes, circular; yes, on this part of the head.
Mr. SPECTER. Indicating the rear portion of the head
.
Mr. KELLERMAN. Yes.
Mr. SPECTER. More to the right side of the head?
Mr. KELLERMAN. Right. This was removed.
Mr. SPECTER. When you say, "This was removed," what do you mean by this?
Mr. KELLERMAN. The skull part was removed
.
Mr. SPECTER. All right.
Representative FORD. Above the ear and back?
Mr. KELLERMAN. To the left of the ear, sir, and a little high; yes. About right in here.
Mr. SPECTER. When you say "removed," by that do you mean that it was absent when you saw him, or taken off by the doctor?
Mr. KELLERMAN. It was absent when I saw him.
Mr. SPECTER. Fine. Proceed.
Mr. KELLERMAN. Entry into this man's head was right below that wound, right here.
Mr. SPECTER. Indicating the bottom of the hairline immediately to the right of the ear about the lower third of the ear?
Mr. KELLERMAN. Right. But it was in the hairline, sir.
Mr. SPECTER. In his hairline?
Mr. KELLERMAN. Yes, sir.
Mr. SPECTER. Near the end of his hairline?
Mr. KELLERMAN. Yes, sir.
Mr. SPECTER. What was the size of that aperture?
Mr. KELLERMAN. The little finger.
Mr. SPECTER. Indicating the diameter of the little finger.
Mr. KELLERMAN. Right.


Using this photo...  please place a pinky sized bullet hole to the RIGHT of the ear at the hairline  (Can you think of any possible way that a bullet to the right of the right ear enters BEHIND that ear? Towards the EOP ?)









Morticians, medical personnel at Parkland Hospital, Secret Service agents; all these people referring to a hole in the right rear of JFK's skull.

If America was not sleeping so soundly, there would be rioting in the streets, demanding the JFK murder case be re-opened.

Wake up, America, you're dreaming.


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It baffles me; why do they try so hard? The only conclusion I can draw is someone is paying them to post on these forums. Do you agree?

Huh? You're joking right?

I don't believe that the JFK assassination is really that important, or relevant anymore.

I believe that practically everyone has a distrust of the government to one degree or another. I also feel that the official version is the one that will remain the definitive version, and there are much more recent and relevant CT style topics that have caught the attention of the masses.

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