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 January 19, 2012, 06:54:24 AM
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I did owned and shot one i had it for 13 years.
So i can speak from personal experience on how the Carcano operates.
With the bolt being forward almost right above the trigger makes it a little harder to shot and work the the bolt.
Trying to do rapid fire was hard sometimes because it would ketch on the clip.
Trying to get 3 shots off in 5.6 seconds and hitting the target was hard to do with that rifle i did once or twice and that was at a standing
target it was it the distance of the z frame 313.
But i was under no pressure like Oswald was at he time.
For those who wonder about be being able to talk about shooting this rifle i have owner the following
7.65 sks
30/30
25/20
22
30.06
I have over the years had shot those rifles at different ranges or land that friends have owned and hit what i was aiming at.
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January 20, 2012, 06:42:42 AM
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Bob, do you believe that a shot was fired after 313?
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January 20, 2012, 08:17:08 AM
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Bob, do you believe that a shot was fired after 313?
Think about this, Bill. JBC may have been shot through the wrist and thigh, but not the back, just after JFK was shot in the back. A likely placement for this shooter might have been the SW corner of the 6th floor of the TSBD, as was reported by witnesses. I think it quite likely he may not have registered that shot in his mind and, strangely, have been oblivious to it. Why else would he continue to hold his hat, not look at or favor his injured wrist and take more interest in what is behind him than in his wounds? Outside of what is interpreted as the moment of impact, you would scarcely know JBC had been shot. Now, at Z313, we see JBC turning to the front and preparing to turn to his left, just as he testified to the WC. Two simultaneous shots are heard. JFK is struck in the head and we then see JBC go over. Presumably, it is Nellie who has "pulled" JBC over but, can this be proved? JBC always claimed that the shot that hit him in the back "knocked him over". With JFK leaned over Jackie at Z313, JBC is wide open to a shot from behind him. Isn't that what we are seeing after Z313?
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January 20, 2012, 11:21:50 AM
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Nobody saw anyone shooting from there Bob. They saw a man with a rifle, got a glimpse of one anyway, several minutes before the shooting. This is in contrast to the other corner, where witnesses looking up actually did see the rifle firing.
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January 20, 2012, 06:51:22 PM
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Think about this, Bill. JBC may have been shot through the wrist and thigh, but not the back, just after JFK was shot in the back. A likely placement for this shooter might have been the SW corner of the 6th floor of the TSBD, as was reported by witnesses. I think it quite likely he may not have registered that shot in his mind and, strangely, have been oblivious to it. Why else would he continue to hold his hat, not look at or favor his injured wrist and take more interest in what is behind him than in his wounds? Outside of what is interpreted as the moment of impact, you would scarcely know JBC had been shot.
Are you seriously saying that it's possible that the first time Connally was hit was when a bullet passed through his wrist, but he wasn't aware of it?
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January 20, 2012, 07:27:44 PM
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I think in interviews Nellie said that she pulled her husband down. I am sure it could be found on line somewhere.
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January 20, 2012, 09:05:51 PM
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Actually!
The elapsed time of the three shots fired was closer to 8.8 to 8.9 seconds, with about 1.9 seconds of elapsed time between the Z313 shot and the final shot impact down at survey stationing 4+95.
Which by the way, makes the last shot more or less a "snap shot" in which the telesopic sight could not have been utilized.
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January 21, 2012, 08:05:42 AM
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Are you seriously saying that it's possible that the first time Connally was hit was when a bullet passed through his wrist, but he wasn't aware of it?
Look at the film. If I was shot through the wrist at around Z223 and was aware of being shot through the wrist, I would AT THE VERY LEAST drop my hat and stare quite intently at the hole in my wrist. I might even hold my wrist with the other hand and yell out, "WTF WAS THAT??? OUUUCCCCHHHH!!!!". Yet, after what looks like an impact scene, JBC does none of these things. He still holds his hat in his right hand, his white shirt cuff shows no sign of blood (weird) and JBC immediately straightens and turns to look behind him; totally oblivious to a hole in his wrist, broken ribs and a possible open pneumothorax (hole in his lung). He was either one tough SOB, or totally devoid of sensation or not hit at this point in time.
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January 21, 2012, 08:12:10 AM
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Look at the film. If I was shot through the wrist at around Z223 and was aware of being shot through the wrist, I would AT THE VERY LEAST drop my hat and stare quite intently at the hole in my wrist. I might even hold my wrist with the other hand and yell out, "WTF WAS THAT??? OUUUCCCCHHHH!!!!".
Yet, after what looks like an impact scene, JBC does none of these things. He still holds his hat in his right hand, his white shirt cuff shows no sign of blood (weird) and JBC immediately straightens and turns to look behind him; totally oblivious to a hole in his wrist, broken ribs and a possible open pneumothorax (hole in his lung).
He was either one tough SOB, or totally devoid of sensation or not hit at this point in time.
Bob, he was still holding his hat when he got to Parkland hospital.
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January 21, 2012, 08:20:32 AM
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Think about this, Bill. JBC may have been shot through the wrist and thigh, but not the back, just after JFK was shot in the back. A likely placement for this shooter might have been the SW corner of the 6th floor of the TSBD, as was reported by witnesses. I think it quite likely he may not have registered that shot in his mind and, strangely, have been oblivious to it. Why else would he continue to hold his hat, not look at or favor his injured wrist and take more interest in what is behind him than in his wounds? Outside of what is interpreted as the moment of impact, you would scarcely know JBC had been shot.
Now, at Z313, we see JBC turning to the front and preparing to turn to his left, just as he testified to the WC. Two simultaneous shots are heard. JFK is struck in the head and we then see JBC go over. Presumably, it is Nellie who has "pulled" JBC over but, can this be proved? JBC always claimed that the shot that hit him in the back "knocked him over". With JFK leaned over Jackie at Z313, JBC is wide open to a shot from behind him.
Isn't that what we are seeing after Z313?
I think it quite likely he may not have registered that shot in his mind and, strangely, have been oblivious to it. So Connally is hit by a bullet but is unaware of it?
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January 21, 2012, 08:43:49 AM
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Connally had always said that he knew that he had been shot. He said that he felt the round hit in his back and drove he sholder down.
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January 21, 2012, 05:46:19 PM
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Connally had always said that he knew that he had been shot. He said that he felt the round hit in his back and drove he sholder down.
Absolutely, Mark. And we see him going down at Z313. Did he also know another bullet had gone through his wrist and entered his thigh earlier? He doesn't act like he was hit earlier.
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