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Comission members Russell,Cooper and Boggs didn't believe it. Humes,Boswell and Finck were convinced a seperate bullet hit Connally.
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January 26, 2012, 07:40:27 PM
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Thank you Steve for clearing that up for me !
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January 26, 2012, 07:44:16 PM
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He was President the moment when Kennedy became incapacitated to perform his duty . The swearing in ceremony was BS.
Precisely, Steve. That is the whole point of having a vice president, isn't it.
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January 26, 2012, 11:43:42 PM
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In 1964, the Warren Commission asked the FBI to establish chains of custody for various items of evidence including CE399. On July 7, the Bureau provided a 3-page report laying out the bullet’s chain of possession and claiming that on June 12, FBI agent Bardwell Odum had shown CE399 to the two Parkland hospital witnesses who found the bullet, Darrell Tomlinson and O.P. Wright, and neither man could "positively identify" it. (24H412) Additionally, the same report notes that the next two men in the chain, Secret Service agent Richard Johnsen and Secret Service chief James Rowley “could not identify this bullet as the one” they handled. Two years later, Josiah Thompson interviewed O.P. Wright and asked him what the bullet he had handled that day looked like. He showed Wright a photograph of CE399 and he “rejected” it “as resembling the bullet Tomlinson found on the stretcher.” Wright, a former police officer experienced in firearms, explained that the bullet he saw had a “pointed tip” and even showed him a similar .30 caliber round from his own desk. (Six Seconds In Dallas, p. 175) When interviewed, Tomlinson was less certain saying “only that the bullet found resembled either CE572 (the ballistics comparison rounds) or the pointed, .30 caliber bullet Wright had procured for us.”
The fifth link in the chain, FBI agent Elmer Todd was in the White House when he purportedly received the bullet from Rowley. Todd marked the bullet with his initials (24H412) and then passed it along to Robert Frazier at FBI HQ. The problem is, Todd's initials are not on CE399! In 2003, meticulous JFK researcher John Hunt proceeded to “track the entire surface of the bullet using four of NARA‘s preservation photos.” The following year, he visited the National Archives where he was able to inspect the assassination materials for himself. Hunt discovered that there were only three sets of initials on CE399: RF (belonging to Robert Frazier), CK (FBI Agent Charles Killion), and JH (which was the mark used by FBI Agent Cortlandt Cunningham to avoid confusion with “cc,” the notation for carbon copy). Todd’s mark was nowhere to be found. And Hunt discovered yet another problem. Frazier marked the time he received CE399 on his November 22 laboratory worksheet as “7:30 PM.” He wrote the same time on a handwritten note he titled “History of Evidence” and likely used as a memory aid during his Commission testimony. The problem is, Todd also made a note of the time he received a bullet and according to the handwritten notation he made on the original envelope that contained it, he received the stretcher bullet at “8:50 PM.” So how could Frazier receive a bullet from Todd at FBI HQ one hour and 20 minutes before Todd was handed the same bullet at the White House by Chief Rowley? He could not. When considered alongside the fact that Todd’s initials do not appear on CE399 and the fact that the four men preceding him in the chain of possession did not recognise it when shown, there is only one plausible explanation: There were two bullets in Washington that day; CE399 and the pointed-tip missile found on a stretcher at Parkland Hospital. CE399 was used to pin the blame for Kennedy’s assassination squarely on Lee Oswald’s shoulders. The stretcher bullet was made to disappear.
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January 27, 2012, 01:21:22 AM
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In 1964, the Warren Commission asked the FBI to establish chains of custody for various items of evidence including CE399. On July 7, the Bureau provided a 3-page report laying out the bullet’s chain of possession and claiming that on June 12, FBI agent Bardwell Odum had shown CE399 to the two Parkland hospital witnesses who found the bullet, Darrell Tomlinson and O.P. Wright, and neither man could "positively identify" it. (24H412) Additionally, the same report notes that the next two men in the chain, Secret Service agent Richard Johnsen and Secret Service chief James Rowley “could not identify this bullet as the one” they handled. Two years later, Josiah Thompson interviewed O.P. Wright and asked him what the bullet he had handled that day looked like. He showed Wright a photograph of CE399 and he “rejected” it “as resembling the bullet Tomlinson found on the stretcher.” Wright, a former police officer experienced in firearms, explained that the bullet he saw had a “pointed tip” and even showed him a similar .30 caliber round from his own desk. (Six Seconds In Dallas, p. 175) When interviewed, Tomlinson was less certain saying “only that the bullet found resembled either CE572 (the ballistics comparison rounds) or the pointed, .30 caliber bullet Wright had procured for us.”
The fifth link in the chain, FBI agent Elmer Todd was in the White House when he purportedly received the bullet from Rowley. Todd marked the bullet with his initials (24H412) and then passed it along to Robert Frazier at FBI HQ. The problem is, Todd's initials are not on CE399! In 2003, meticulous JFK researcher John Hunt proceeded to “track the entire surface of the bullet using four of NARA‘s preservation photos.” The following year, he visited the National Archives where he was able to inspect the assassination materials for himself. Hunt discovered that there were only three sets of initials on CE399: RF (belonging to Robert Frazier), CK (FBI Agent Charles Killion), and JH (which was the mark used by FBI Agent Cortlandt Cunningham to avoid confusion with “cc,” the notation for carbon copy). Todd’s mark was nowhere to be found. And Hunt discovered yet another problem. Frazier marked the time he received CE399 on his November 22 laboratory worksheet as “7:30 PM.” He wrote the same time on a handwritten note he titled “History of Evidence” and likely used as a memory aid during his Commission testimony. The problem is, Todd also made a note of the time he received a bullet and according to the handwritten notation he made on the original envelope that contained it, he received the stretcher bullet at “8:50 PM.” So how could Frazier receive a bullet from Todd at FBI HQ one hour and 20 minutes before Todd was handed the same bullet at the White House by Chief Rowley? He could not. When considered alongside the fact that Todd’s initials do not appear on CE399 and the fact that the four men preceding him in the chain of possession did not recognise it when shown, there is only one plausible explanation: There were two bullets in Washington that day; CE399 and the pointed-tip missile found on a stretcher at Parkland Hospital. CE399 was used to pin the blame for Kennedy’s assassination squarely on Lee Oswald’s shoulders. The stretcher bullet was made to disappear.
Paul The spire point and the round nose (6.5mm Carcano) look so much alike, I can see how one could mistake them for each other....NOT!!!   
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January 27, 2012, 01:38:01 AM
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Josiah T. lied more than once in that stupid book. Maybe you've simply brought another one out.
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"Part of the reason why we avoided talking about this thing, because every time you say something, somebody misinterprets what you say."
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January 27, 2012, 03:04:38 AM
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Josiah T. lied more than once in that stupid book. Maybe you've simply brought another one out.
It MUST be a lie!!! LOL Anything that contradicts the WCR is either: a) a lie b) confused c) mistaken d) someone seeking their 15 minutes of fame e) all of the above Go soak your head, shill.  Oh, and don`t forget to pick up your paycheque tomorrow. 
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January 27, 2012, 05:45:02 AM
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It MUST be a lie!!! LOL Anything that contradicts the WCR is either: a) a lie b) confused c) mistaken d) someone seeking their 15 minutes of fame e) all of the above Go soak your head, shill. Oh, and don`t forget to pick up your paycheque tomorrow. Bob It's quite ironic that your little synposis is infinitely more applicable to you!!!  It MUST be a lie!!! LOL Anything that supports the WCR is either: a) a lie b) confused c) mistaken d) someone seeking their 15 minutes of fame e) all of the above Go soak your head, high school dropout! Oh, and don`t forget to pick up your welfare cheque tomorrow.
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January 27, 2012, 01:16:17 PM
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Bob It's quite ironic that your little synposis is infinitely more applicable to you!!! It MUST be a lie!!! LOL Anything that supports the WCR is either: a) a lie b) confused c) mistaken d) someone seeking their 15 minutes of fame e) all of the above Go soak your head, high school dropout! Oh, and don`t forget to pick up your welfare cheque tomorrow. Great remark, son of a trucker toy 
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January 27, 2012, 05:38:24 PM
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Bob It's quite ironic that your little synposis is infinitely more applicable to you!!! It MUST be a lie!!! LOL Anything that supports the WCR is either: a) a lie b) confused c) mistaken d) someone seeking their 15 minutes of fame e) all of the above Go soak your head, high school dropout! Oh, and don`t forget to pick up your welfare cheque tomorrow. Hey, Cheap Tricks, how ya doin' this morning??
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