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I recently asked a Cancer Specialist at our local hospital whether cancer cells could be extracted from one person and injected into another with the purpose of encouraging the growth of those cancer cells in the recipient.

His initial answer was that he doesnt get paid to do things that way round! - but when i explained about the Ruby claim that he was infected in such way, he gave me a more thoughtful reply - saying he didnt think it could happen because of natural body rejection processes.

Its apparently completely different to say, passing on a cold or flu virus from one body to another.

But is he correct?  Do we have any qualified personnel in the forum who could offer additional comments about the possibility of what Ruby said being correct/false?

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I recently asked a Cancer Specialist at our local hospital whether cancer cells could be extracted from one person and injected into another with the purpose of encouraging the growth of those cancer cells in the recipient.

His initial answer was that he doesnt get paid to do things that way round! - but when i explained about the Ruby claim that he was infected in such way, he gave me a more thoughtful reply - saying he didnt think it could happen because of natural body rejection processes.

Its apparently completely different to say, passing on a cold or flu virus from one body to another.

But is he correct?  Do we have any qualified personnel in the forum who could offer additional comments about the possibility of what Ruby said being correct/false?

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Mike Oneill

Even if it was true . . .
. . . why kill Ruby by a slow process?

There are poisons that do not leave a trace. Better to put a deadly toxin in Jack's food and that's that.


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I recently asked a Cancer Specialist at our local hospital whether cancer cells could be extracted from one person and injected into another with the purpose of encouraging the growth of those cancer cells in the recipient.

His initial answer was that he doesnt get paid to do things that way round! - but when i explained about the Ruby claim that he was infected in such way, he gave me a more thoughtful reply - saying he didnt think it could happen because of natural body rejection processes.

Its apparently completely different to say, passing on a cold or flu virus from one body to another.

But is he correct?  Do we have any qualified personnel in the forum who could offer additional comments about the possibility of what Ruby said being correct/false?

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Mike Oneill

Why are you asking a  cop? Why not read what the CIA was doing?


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No, i want to avoid all the theoretical "black operations" of what the CIA might or might not have been trying to achieve. Instead, Im trying to get to the REAL scientific answer - quire simply can it or can it not be done

Perhaps the CIA were TRYING to do such things -  but thats completely different to whether biolgically it could be done or not

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Good Evening

No, i want to avoid all the theoretical "black operations" of what the CIA might or might not have been trying to achieve. Instead, Im trying to get to the REAL scientific answer - quire simply can it or can it not be done

Perhaps the CIA were TRYING to do such things -  but thats completely different to whether biolgically it could be done or not

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Silly. That is not what I said. I said why don't you read what the CIA actually did.


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But in reality, it wasnt a slow process. The deterioration and death of Ruby occurred quite quickly.

IF, AND I MEAN IF there was a conspiracy in the JFK happenings - theres no way the conspirators could kill Ruby off also in another blatant way such as a gun shot or similar. We already just lost JFK, then Oswald.........there coudnt be another one in such an obvious way.

Even the die hard LTners might have got just a little bit suspicious maybe??

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Mike, perhaps your oncology consultant should come here and specifically state that cancer cells cannot be implanted (after reading the two papers to the contrary, below).

Also, ask him/her how cancer cells spread (ie, metastasize) in the first place!

Also, I'd like to know who or what has established that Jack Ruby Rubenstein had hepatic cancer in the first place- and what kind/stage/etc.

PS- If there are any readers who don't believe that it is physically possible to metastasize liver cancer via the bloodstream, would YOU volunteer to have them injected into YOU?

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    Prevention of implantation of cancer cells in the wound by irrigation with ... and surgeon's hands with cancer cells and the ultimate transfer of these cells into the ...

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    Cancer Biology: Infectious Tumour Cells

    dash.harvard.edu/bitstream/handle/1/4318027/Nowak_infectious.pdf?seq... - Similarto Cancer Biology: Infectious Tumour Cells

    New evidence is mounting that cancer cells can evolve to become infectious ... transferred between dogs by implantation of tumour cells from donor to the ...


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Even if it was true . . .
. . . why kill Ruby by a slow process?

There are poisons that do not leave a trace. Better to put a deadly toxin in Jack's food and that's that.

Yeah, why no just pull out a gun and shoot him in the head in front of 100 witnesses? No one would ever think that is a conspiracy. Just an accidental shooting while he was cleaning his pistol.
So, why do you think the KGB bothered trying to get all sneaky and poison Viktor Yushchenko with Dioxin? Why not just surround him with 20 machine guns and blast away? You would never suspect that was a conspiracy and who did it?
Remember how the KGB poisoned Georgi Markov? Everyone just assumed he died of the flu and only a careful examination found the pellet of ricin.
You are so naive that you'd say he ingested that much ricin naturally by eating 100,000 potatoes in one hour.
Anything to deny conspiracy.
Remember how the CIA tried to poison Castro three times and it never worked?
Remember how they tried to poison Rasputin, but he was immune?
How about arsenic? The Chinese put arsenic in our food, but no one ever dies from it. They tell us it's good for us.
The CIA had a whole section dedicated to finding new poisons and ways of killing people undetected.


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The establishment allowed CIA programmer Dr. Louis Joyon "Jolly" West to examine Jack Ruby in his jail cell. When Ruby refused to admit to insanity, West labelled him "paranoid and mentally ill" and Ruby was placed on pills, which were called "happy pills". Ruby believed he was being poisoned by the establishment.12: SCIENCE No. 12-EXTERNAL CONTROLS Deeper Insights into the Illuminati Formula

Mr. PREYER. Just one final question. His paranoia took the form of a belief that the Jews were being disposed of in Dallas because of his action, and you have made the statement that the reason he said, "Take me to Washington, to the Warren Commission," was that he was to get that idea across to the President. Did he ever tell anyone specifically that that was the nature of his paranoia? Did he ever say to anyone, "I think the Jews are being gathered together in Dallas to be disposed of." Is that a conclusion from the psychiatrists?
Mr. ADELSON. No; quite certainly he told that to members of his family, he was surprised that they were still alive when he saw them come to visit him, and he thought that they were annihilated the day before, in his mind he believed he saw Earl annihilated.
Mr. PREYER. And did he tell that to anyone of the psychiatrists that you have talked to?
Mr. ADELSON. Only Dr. West.

The number one cause of lung cancer is cigarette smoking, representing 85 to 90 percent of all cases. Other causes include exposure to radon, asbestos, nickel, chloromethyl ether, chromium, beryllium and arsenic (a by-product of copper), as well as exposure to passive smoke or "second-hand" smoke. A person is "at risk" of developing lung cancer if they: smoke; are over the age of 50; work in industries where substances such as asbestos, nickel, chloromethyl ether, chromium, beryllium or arsenic are used; have or have had a lung disease; have a family history of lung cancer; are former smokers; have been exposed to second-hand smoke over many years or; have been exposed to radon. (Tenet Health Care Corporation Library) As a non-smoker, Ruby’s only risk factors would, on the surface, appear to be his age, and long-term exposure to second-hand smoke. In jail, Ruby reported to one of his psychiatrists, Dr Manfred Guttmacher, that he had been to see Dr Ulevich on November 11, 1963 due to a bronchial cough. Dr Ulevitch took x-rays, but Ruby had been too busy to get the results. He believed he had "walking pneumonia". (DPD JFK files) The previously mentioned, Dr Walter Bromberg, stated in his report that Ruby had felt he suffered pneumonia on and off for a number of years. (DPD JFK files) It was a diagnosis of pneumonia, as we have seen, which resulted in Ruby being sent to Parkland Hospital. "Walking pneumonia" is caused by mycoplasma – the smallest free-living organism known to man. One of the characteristics of these tiny organisms is their ability to completely mimic or copy the protein of the host cell which can cause the immune system to attack the body’s own cells; an event that happens in all auto-immune diseases. First isolated in humans in 1932, it was not until the 1950s that one strain was identified as the cause of atypical ("walking") pneumonia. (Web Article: Mycoplasmas - Stealth Pathogens). Before death, Ruby’s cancer had spread to both his liver and his brain. This tends to rule out second-hand smoke as the culprit because although small cell lung cancer is the type that spreads quickly to other organs, it is most often found in people who are themselves heavy smokers. (Rhodes Island Cancer Council). What we are left with then, is some other carcinogen as the probable cause. Beryllium is one logical answer given beryllium dust shuts down the immune system, allowing the lungs to be damaged, and tumors to form and spread to other organs. It also creates ideal conditions for mycoplasma to thrive. (The Unified Health Physics Modelling Scientific Report). It is not a stretch to suggest that Ruby may have first come into contact with beryllium whilst in the Army Air Force and stationed at Farmingdale where the F-12 was being built, since this heavy metal is much used in the aviation and space industries. His association with the National Research Corporation through John C Jackson provides a second possibility for beryllium exposure to have occurred. The NRC was named in a May 25, 2001 report issued by the US General Accounting Office as being one of the locations where beryllium was used or detected. The evidence however, points only to low grade exposure in the 1950‘s (and possibly back to the 1940‘s), causing atypical recurring pneumonia, and a weakened immune system rather than cancerous tumors (which would have required a higher exposure): nothing lethal if he kept fit and otherwise healthy. That Ruby was a health and fitness fanatic indicates he may have had some knowledge of his exposure. So what did happened to trigger his cancer ? Alan Adelson tells us in "The Ruby Oswald Affair" that Jack’s sister, Eva Grant, first noticed Jack’s illness as early as June, 1966 , and that by September, he was throwing up every day. If his illness was evident in June 1966, then it is feasible that the onset of cancer coincided with Dr Jolyon West’s visit in April, 1964 to administer hypnosis and drugs (refer to note 10). This was the month after the trial ended, and when appeals would be in full swing. It is unfortunately common for such a period of time to pass between onset and when symptoms become manifest. In this case, it took another 7 months after the onset of symptoms before a diagnosis of lung cancer was made. It is possible, but unlikely, that Ruby had the cancer prior to the assassination. This is because of the x rays Dr Ulevitch took of Ruby’s chest on November 11. Though not fool proof, most lung cancer patients show an abnormal x ray. (Cancerline UK). It is widely known that Ruby believed injections he was being given, were cancer cells. He truly believed he was being murdered in this most unusual manner. And why would he not be paranoid about such a possibility since in January 1964, it was widely reported that elderly patients at the Jewish Chronic Disease Hospital in Brooklyn had been injected with live cancer cells as part of an experiment conducted by two eminent physicians from Sloan-Kettering? A court battle over the records of patients involved kept the story bubbling until at least 1966. Deputy sheriff Al Maddox claimed to researchers in the 1980s that the doctor who gave Ruby the injections was from Chicago. Though not from Chicago, Alan Adelson said he had met with Dr Jolyon West in the Windy City to discuss the case. (Earl Ruby HSCA testimony) The last word however, probably should go to the Inspector General in reference to CIA medical experiments: "The risk of compromise of the program through correct diagnosis of an illness by an unwitting medical specialist is regularly considered and is stated to be a governing factor in the decision to conduct a given test. The Bureau officials also maintain close working relations with local police authorities which could be utilized to protect the activity in critical situations." (July 26, 1963 memo from JS Eamon to Director, CIA).


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But Jack owned a nightclub and he would have been exposed to a great deal of second hand smoke. It is not that big of a surprise that he would be diagnosed with lung cancer. I don't think you can rule out second hand smoke...especially back in Ruby's day. I had a friend who was a bartender in a nightclub. After having a physical and chest X-ray, his Dr. asked him how long he had been smoking. He never smoked...he only breathed the air in that nightclub, three nights  a week.

For most cancers, I was taught that you had to be exposed to a carcinogen. Even then, there are cells in our body that help potect us from radiation and chemicals that can cause cancer. Carcinogens can cause mutations in our DNA and if those mutations can't be corrected, cells will grow without the normal start and stop features that regulate cell growth, causing tumors.

There ae certain viruses that have been linked to some cancers: Hepatitis B has been linked to liver cancer and genital herpes has been linked to cervical cancer in women.


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But Jack owned a nightclub and he would have been exposed to a great deal of second hand smoke. It is not that big of a surprise that he would be diagnosed with lung cancer. I don't think you can rule out second hand smoke...especially back in Ruby's day. I had a friend who was a bartender in a nightclub. After having a physical and chest X-ray, his Dr. asked him how long he had been smoking. He never smoked...he only breathed the air in that nightclub, three nights  a week.

For most cancers, I was taught that you had to be exposed to a carcinogen. Even then, there are cells in our body that help potect us from radiation and chemicals that can cause cancer. Carcinogens can cause mutations in our DNA and if those mutations can't be corrected, cells will grow without the normal start and stop features that regulate cell growth, causing tumors.

There ae certain viruses that have been linked to some cancers: Hepatitis B has been linked to liver cancer and genital herpes has been linked to cervical cancer in women.

Taught when? 1890?
You don't yet realize that some cancers are infectious?
How do cancer researchers induce cancers in lab animals? Expose them to second hand smoke for 40 years?
Ever hear of HeLa?


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