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The CIA must have known Oswald was a Pro Castro Nut and left him out there so that he would do something stupid or lead them to something more significant. I just can't believe he slippped through all the cracks like he did. Puzzling. 
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Oswald admitted his guilt when he claimed to have been a patsy.
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January 16, 2012, 11:17:15 PM
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I thought he got into a fist fight and was arrested in New Orleans.
Didn't he make threats to the FBI ?
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January 16, 2012, 11:39:10 PM
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I thought he got into a fist fight and was arrested in New Orleans.
Didn't he make threats to the FBI ?
Sure, he got into a fist fight in the marines, big deal. As for NO Oswald was the guy getting attacked, he never lifted a finger against the other guy (Bringuier). He did leave a stroppy note to Hosty but that was only in temper because Oswald didn't want his wife hassled, the threat wasn't taken seriously. Perhaps it should have been, as I said, hindsight is wonderful. When Hosty was asked about Oswald not being taken into custody he said, and I paraphrase: You don't ruin a mans career without good cause. In fact you should Google the Hosty interview, it covers all this.
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January 16, 2012, 11:49:50 PM
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What were there, 18 former defectors to the Soviet Union living in various places around the U.S. at this time? One of them worked on the motorcade route. Hardly just another nut- I would think...Robert
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January 17, 2012, 12:05:46 AM
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The CIA must have known Oswald was a Pro Castro Nut and left him out there so that he would do something stupid or lead them to something more significant. I just can't believe he slippped through all the cracks like he did. Puzzling. A couple things from Colonel Jones HSCA testimony. He said the lack of any record of a debriefing of Oswald by the CIA or the FBI when he returned from the USSR indicates he was probably working for intelligence and on a mission. He said his unit had a file on Oswald. He would consider him a sercurity risk any time he was in his district. Dallas was in his district. His military intelligence unit had 8 to 10 people assisting with JFK's security on 11/22/63. HSCA Executive SessionTestimony Colonel Jones April 20, 1978. As a guest, you are not allowed to view links.
Register or Login------------------- Despite the CIA and the FBI receiving the following + reports. The warning system for LHO is turned off. It's reported LHO meets with VALERIY VLADIMIRIVICH KOSTIKOV, a Russian Spy in charge of assassinations for the western hemisphere, at the Soviet Embassy. As a guest, you are not allowed to view links.
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Why He Died And Why It Matters"By James W. Douglas p.177 -snip- "On October 9, 1963, one week before Lee Harvey Oswald began his job at a site overlooking the president's future parade route,
an FBI official in Washington, D.C., disconnected Oswald from a federal alarm system that was about to identify him as a threat to
national security. The FBI man's name was Marvin Gheesling. He was a supervisor in the Soviet espionage section at FBI headquarters.
His timing was remarkable. As author John Newman remarked in an analysis of this phenomenon, Gheesling "turned off the alarm switch
on Oswald literally an instant before it would have gone off."
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January 17, 2012, 12:19:08 AM
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January 17, 2012, 12:31:04 AM
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A couple things from Colonel Jones HSCA testimony. He said the lack of any record of a debriefing of Oswald by the CIA or the FBI when he returned from the USSR indicates he was probably working for intelligence and on a mission. He said his unit had a file on Oswald. He would consider him a sercurity risk any time he was in his district. Dallas was in his district. His military intelligence unit had 8 to 10 people assisting with JFK's security on 11/22/63. HSCA Executive SessionTestimony Colonel Jones April 20, 1978. As a guest, you are not allowed to view links.
Register or Login------------------- Despite the CIA and the FBI receiving the following + reports. The warning system for LHO is turned off. It's reported LHO meets with VALERIY VLADIMIRIVICH KOSTIKOV, a Russian Spy in charge of assassinations for the western hemisphere, at the Soviet Embassy. As a guest, you are not allowed to view links.
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Why He Died And Why It Matters"By James W. Douglas p.177 -snip- "On October 9, 1963, one week before Lee Harvey Oswald began his job at a site overlooking the president's future parade route,
an FBI official in Washington, D.C., disconnected Oswald from a federal alarm system that was about to identify him as a threat to
national security. The FBI man's name was Marvin Gheesling. He was a supervisor in the Soviet espionage section at FBI headquarters.
His timing was remarkable. As author John Newman remarked in an analysis of this phenomenon, Gheesling "turned off the alarm switch
on Oswald literally an instant before it would have gone off."Gary believes posting the very same crap day after day will enlighten. So, I'll answer in kind. The HSCA defector study cleared showed few defectors to the Soviet Union were debriefed upon returning to the U. S.. This was the rule, not the exception.
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January 17, 2012, 12:53:45 AM
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Gary believes posting the very same crap day after day will enlighten. So, I'll answer in kind. The HSCA defector study cleared showed few defectors to the Soviet Union were debriefed upon returning to the U. S.. This was the rule, not the exception.
Simply amazing, you even admit you've seen the evidence numerous times. The HSCA defector study is based on information/data supplied by the CIA and has been discredited. G. Robert Blakey, former Chief Counsel of the HSCA:"I now no longer believe anything the Agency [CIA] told the committee any further than I can obtain substantial corroboration for it
from outside the Agency for its veracity.....We also now know that the Agency set up a process that could only have been designed to
frustrate the ability of the committee in 1976-79 to obtain any information that might adversely affect the Agency. Many have told me
that the culture of the Agency is one of prevarication and dissimulation and that you cannot trust it or its people. Period. End of
story. I am now in that camp." - in an addendum to the web page for the Frontline episode "Who Was Lee Harvey Oswald?", after Blakey learned that CIA-HSCA liaison George Joannides had been case officer for the DRE in 1962-64.
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January 17, 2012, 08:08:05 AM
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Sure, he got into a fist fight in the marines, big deal. As for NO Oswald was the guy getting attacked, he never lifted a finger against the other guy (Bringuier). He did leave a stroppy note to Hosty but that was only in temper because Oswald didn't want his wife hassled, the threat wasn't taken seriously. Perhaps it should have been, as I said, hindsight is wonderful. When Hosty was asked about Oswald not being taken into custody he said, and I paraphrase: You don't ruin a mans career without good cause. In fact you should Google the Hosty interview, it covers all this.
Let's test your theory. Write a note to the FBI saying that you'll blow it up and go down and hand deliver it to the FBI office. See what happens.
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January 17, 2012, 12:15:30 PM
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JFK AND THE UNSPEAKABLE
Why He Died And Why It Matters"
By James W. Douglas
p.177
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"On October 9, 1963, one week before Lee Harvey Oswald began his job at a site overlooking the president's future parade route,
an FBI official in Washington, D.C., disconnected Oswald from a federal alarm system that was about to identify him as a threat to
national security. The FBI man's name was Marvin Gheesling. He was a supervisor in the Soviet espionage section at FBI headquarters.
His timing was remarkable. As author John Newman remarked in an analysis of this phenomenon, Gheesling "turned off the alarm switch
on Oswald literally an instant before it would have gone off."
What does Douglas back this up with?
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What is silly is thinking that two turns that reduced the speed of the car to 8-11 m.p.h. is no big deal when motorcades are suppose to keep a 44 m.p.h. speed..R Caprio
LHO had poor hand-eye coordination and proof of this is seen in the fact he couldn't drive an automobile-- R Caprio
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January 17, 2012, 09:46:36 PM
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Gary believes posting the very same crap day after day will enlighten. So, I'll answer in kind. The HSCA defector study cleared showed few defectors to the Soviet Union were debriefed upon returning to the U. S.. This was the rule, not the exception.
Well I'll ask you Paul. Given the political climate at the time, and the fact that LHO went on record as saying he would divulge secrets, do you feel, logically speaking, that it probably would have been in the interests of the CIA to pull him in for questioning? Even if it was just to clear exactly what information LHO had given to those ruskies? Do you not question why he wasn't pulled in? Cheers.
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