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 January 16, 2012, 02:02:08 AM
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what do you think about kellerman and greer? personnally i think that greer was slow to respond, and i think kellerman could have gave a rats butt less. i know if the other secret service man especially hill, responded to get to the car at the recognition of JFK and gunfire. how come the other agent on the right side of the follow up car didn't move? what the hell was his problem?
and kellerman made sure he was NOT going to move from his seat.....screw that i'm not getting hit..and when at the head shot, both kellerman and greer ducked into the car.
i always wondered if they had immediately sped up as soon as they turned on to elm would any sniper had a shot? i doubt it, the car would have been moving way to fast. why was the lead car and the limo creepin on elm? there was no need to.. that car should have been up to 30 miles per hour by the time they were parallel to zapruder
even watch video footage of deally plaza currently.. notice how fast traffic moves down elm...no sniper is that accurate at those speeds. even if a sniper shoots a target moving 35-40 miles per hour. i can almost assure the projectile would miss the target at those speeds
agents of any protection need to always be alert with the thinking that there is always a sniper or hit team aiming at there mark at all times..you should never get complacent...i think clint hill was the only one alert. i give him a A for effort all the rest get a big fat F...and if i was in charge of the secret service all of them would have been fired and probably launched an investigation. for non reaction to gunfire at the president. a lot of people are going to disagree with me but i believe thats how we survive in combat is thru attention to detail and alertness..the army we have a saying.." STAY ALERT , STAY ALIVE ""
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January 16, 2012, 02:36:25 AM
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what do you think about kellerman and greer? personnally i think that greer was slow to respond, and i think kellerman could have gave a rats butt less. i know if the other secret service man especially hill, responded to get to the car at the recognition of JFK and gunfire. how come the other agent on the right side of the follow up car didn't move? what the hell was his problem?
No. Agent John Ready was the agent on the right side of the follow-up car. He did indeed move. Ready jumped from the car but was called back by Emory Roberts when it became obvious that he would not reach the limo in time (or at least reach it before Clint Hill).
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January 16, 2012, 05:20:45 AM
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Greers and Kellermans actions go way beyond Incompetence, they go way beyond "Had a Really Bad Day"
Greer murdered JFK using a handgun which was passed to him by Kellerman. The film was crudely altered by the CIA at NPIC in Rochester NY after the murder to cover up the crime. The simplest trajectory THAT ACTUALLY WORKS to cause JFKs BOH wound is right from Greers gun. This website is designed to keep diverting attention away from Greers obvious role as JFKs executioner.
do you actually believe that? greer murdered JFK when clearly his hands ( both of them were on the steering wheel) why would greer shoot JFK in plain view ( including the public to see)when everyone in the car would have heard the hand gun in the car? does greer shooting JFK even pass a common sense test? NOOOOOOOOOO....to many witness standing on the street would have notice that. where did you even get that ridiculous story from. I'm a nuetralist /CT and i don't even believe that crap...that's just as bad as aliens did it...OMG.... the film was not altered.. zapruder made several copies.. he gave one to the FBI, kept one, sold a copy to time life, who then seal it until it was released for natianal tv in 1975 do i believe there were more than one shooter or oswald was probably not the shooter,of course, but all the other crap about where shots come from gets really ridiculous and just down right stupid..
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January 16, 2012, 05:36:35 AM
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No. Agent John Ready was the agent on the right side of the follow-up car. He did indeed move. Ready jumped from the car but was called back by Emory Roberts when it became obvious that he would not reach the limo in time (or at least reach it before Clint Hill).
i don't know if i believe that, i think if he was moving and reacting as fast as hill did, he could have reached the limo just as fast as hill did. i think he made no effort. i think maybe in testimony thats the story he claimed and testifiy to make it look like he tried. but in reality it was his job to save JFK, hill was jackies protection agent..and to make an effort. emory no matter what his position cannot and is not allow to interfere with any agent charged to protect the POTUS at all cost. plus i saw in nix's film where hill is the only one that jumps from the follow up car. no other agent even remotely tries to move.. IMO i think hill was the only one who actualy cared to save JFK what makes me come to this conclusion is I examined the altgens photo where hill and the agent directly behind him looks back at the TSBD direction. the agents on the right side of the follow up car looks forward in the same direction at the presidential limo. and clearly they had to see JFK and connally respond to getting hit because JFK has his hand at his throat and jackie has her hands on her husband's back and left arm.. watching connally's response as he twisted his body and head towards JFK. plus putting two and two together hearing gunshots or firecrackers and watching JFK and connally reacting violently to the shots hitting them. it would be obvious that, that is not firecrackers but gunshots, they should have reacted immediately.. faster than clint hill did because he was still facing the TSBD... the zapruder film clearly shows that at frame 223 and the way JFK reacts and gov.connally they were taking gunfire. it should have been immediate reaction even if its a false alarm. you just don't take chances like that. JFK could have been saved.if his back/throat wounds were not critical..
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January 16, 2012, 05:50:51 AM
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i don't know if i believe that, i think if he was moving and reacting as fast as hill did, he could have reached the limo just as fast as hill did. i think he made no effort. i think maybe in testimony thats the story he claimed and testifiy to make it look like he tried. but in reality it was his job to save JFK, hill was jackies protection agent..and to make an effort. emory no matter what his position cannot and is not allow to interfere with any agent charged to protect the POTUS at all cost.
plus i saw in nix's film where hill is the only one that jumps from the follow up car. no other agent even remotely tries to move..
IMO i think hill was the only one who actualy cared to save JFK
what makes me come to this conclusion is I examined the altgens photo where hill and the agent directly behind him looks back at the TSBD direction. the agents on the right side of the follow up car looks forward in the same direction at the presidential limo. and clearly they had to see JFK and connally respond to getting hit because JFK has his hand at his throat and jackie has her hands on her husband's back and left arm.. watching connally's response as he twisted his body and head towards JFK.
plus putting two and two together hearing gunshots or firecrackers and watching JFK and connally reacting violently to the shots hitting them. it would be obvious that, that is not firecrackers but gunshots, they should have reacted immediately.. faster than clint hill did because he was still facing the TSBD...
the zapruder film clearly shows that at frame 223 and the way JFK reacts and gov.connally they were taking gunfire. it should have been immediate reaction even if its a false alarm. you just don't take chances like that. JFK could have been saved.if his back/throat wounds were not critical..
I didn't say that Ready reacted as fast as Hill reacted. But, Ready did react. Leaping from the follow-up car is indeed a reaction, even if it was moments after Hill did the same. I find it funny that you make numerous posts criticizing LNers such as myself for not believing what certain witnesses had to say. You have said things like, "I will not take the word of a LNer who wasn't there that day over the word of a witness who was actually there that day". There are statements by those who were indeed there that day, saying that Agent Ready leaped from the follow-up car. When told of this, you make this comment (below): i don't know if i believe that, i think if he was moving and reacting as fast as hill did, he could have reached the limo just as fast as hill did. i think he made no effort. i think maybe in testimony thats the story he claimed and testifiy to make it look like he tried. but in reality it was his job to save JFK, hill was jackies protection agent..and to make an effort. emory no matter what his position cannot and is not allow to interfere with any agent charged to protect the POTUS at all cost.
Sorry Mark, but in this respect, you're being a little hypocritical.
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January 16, 2012, 11:38:47 AM
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Ready jumped from the car but was called back by Emory Roberts when it became obvious that he would not reach the limo in time...
ridiculous assumption.....
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January 16, 2012, 12:21:13 PM
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ridiculous assumption.....
I agree, at least the last third of his claim is pure speculation when it became obvious that he would not reach the limo in time... . Ready was about to run for the limo and it appears he stepped down the running board, see the GIF animation below and watch Ready's moves: GIF:  or read here: As a guest, you are not allowed to view links.
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January 16, 2012, 05:25:24 PM
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I didn't say that Ready reacted as fast as Hill reacted. But, Ready did react. Leaping from the follow-up car is indeed a reaction, even if it was moments after Hill did the same.
I find it funny that you make numerous posts criticizing LNers such as myself for not believing what certain witnesses had to say. You have said things like, "I will not take the word of a LNer who wasn't there that day over the word of a witness who was actually there that day". There are statements by those who were indeed there that day, saying that Agent Ready leaped from the follow-up car. When told of this, you make this comment (below):
Sorry Mark, but in this respect, you're being a little hypocritical.
not criticizing, just disagreeing.. it just appear to me that he didn't move.. he could have.. but its amazing how fast clint hill was over everybody else. and when i say i tend to believe everyone that was there..it only applies to when a witness or doctor or any one that makes a statement that has some importance to this case and a LNer's try to say they are lying or they were wrong or they don't know what they are talking about.. how can you make a statement when that person was actually there and a LNer's was not. but this does not apply to everything. just some things or statements or photos. or times... like i do agree with you about how ruby enter the police station..things like that
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January 16, 2012, 07:27:33 PM
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ridiculous assumption.....
I don't disagree with you on that. But, it does not change the fact that there are statements made that Ready did indeed jump from the follow-up car only to be called back by Roberts.
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January 16, 2012, 07:30:14 PM
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I agree, at least the last third of his claim is pure speculation. Ready was about to run for the limo and it appears he stepped down the running board, see the GIF animation below and watch Ready's moves: GIF: or read here: As a guest, you are not allowed to view links.
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