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Hello everybody,
For my research, I would like to know what famous conspiracy theorists
believe with regards to some specific theories. Who agree with such
theory, and who rejects it ?
I would very much like to know the answers from people such as : David
Lifton, Jim Fetzer, James DiEugenio, Jack White, Robert Groden, on
these topics :
- The Armstrong two-Oswald theory
- the body-alteration theory
- the Zapruder-film-is-fake theory
- the autopsy-X-rays-are-fake theory
- the autopsy-pictures-are-fake theory
- the Judith-Baker-says-the-truth theory
- the we-did-not-go-to-the-moon theory
- the no-plane-on-the-Pentagon theory
a simple YES or a NO would do.
As I do not have the e-mail adresses of those authors, nor do I think
they would answer me, I would be glad if anybody here could help me
forward my message or answer it if you know the answers.
Thanks in advance.
/François Carlier/
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January 15, 2012, 04:09:49 PM
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Hello everybody,
For my research, I would like to know what famous conspiracy theorists
believe with regards to some specific theories. Who agree with such
theory, and who rejects it ?
I would very much like to know the answers from people such as : David
Lifton, Jim Fetzer, James DiEugenio, Jack White, Robert Groden, on
these topics :
- The Armstrong two-Oswald theory
- the body-alteration theory
- the Zapruder-film-is-fake theory
- the autopsy-X-rays-are-fake theory
- the autopsy-pictures-are-fake theory
- the Judith-Baker-says-the-truth theory
- the we-did-not-go-to-the-moon theory
- the no-plane-on-the-Pentagon theory
a simple YES or a NO would do.
As I do not have the e-mail adresses of those authors, nor do I think
they would answer me, I would be glad if anybody here could help me
forward my message or answer it if you know the answers.
Thanks in advance.
/François Carlier/
Not sure why you would lend credibility to any of he people you named above. Lifton's theory to this date has remained unchanged. He's believes no shots were fired from the front. He still supports body alteration despite the impossibilities logistically for it to have occurred. He has written on line about his beliefs of underground tunnels for the assassins to have escaped and the multiple assassins were camouflaged within the plastic, removable foliage within Dealey Plaza. Fetzer, the one time leader of the 9/11 truth movement has perhaps the least credibility. He never met a conspiracy he wouldn't endorse. He's written extensively about ZAP alteration, using so called experts only he endorses: Jack White, David Groden, David Healey. None of three have any educations whatsoever within the photographic community. None have been peer reviewed and two are high school droputs. Documented experts within the photographic community do not take Fetzer seriously. He was asked to leave the 9/11 truther community due to his verbosity. Fetzer believes no planes hit he WTC nor the Pentagon and that laser's from space were the cause. He endorses conspiracy in JFK, 9/11, Oklahoma City, the moon landings and God only knows what else. DiEugenio is a meglamaniac who when confronted with any evidence disproving his thinking, simply adds more people into the vast conspiracy. He claims to be a historian of the 1960's and is a high school teacher in California. DiEugenio's ego gets in the way of discussion and rational thinking is never an alternative. It anything points away from conspiracy, DiEugenio will launch into ad hom attacks and reference people to read his conspiracy site, ctka.com Over the years I've had discussions/shouting matches will all of these folks. They're consistently consistent. Paranoid nuts.
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January 15, 2012, 04:25:50 PM
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He [Lifton] believes no shots were fired from the front. You meant to say that Lifton believes no shots were fired from the REAR. Incredibly, he thinks all of the shots came from the front....even though JFK & Connally were shot in their respective UPPER BACKS by bullets. (Some crazy turning bullets there, I guess, per Lifton.) And Lifton also totally ignores the multiple witnesses (Couch, Jackson, Worrell, Brennan, and Euins) who saw a rifle protruding from the sixth-floor window. Apparently, per Lifton, that gun wasn't being fired at all. It must have just been a prop to fool the witnesses. But even that goofy theory still has a problem--Harold Norman--who heard shots coming from directly above him in the TSBD. How does Lifton get around Norman? I guess he thinks Harold was mistaken--or a falsehood-teller. ~shrug~ The crazy things that some conspiracy nuts believe defy all belief--and common sense. And David S. Lifton is a shining example. As a guest, you are not allowed to view links.
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January 15, 2012, 04:30:00 PM
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My favorite the alien-on-the-moon-theory.
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January 15, 2012, 05:01:15 PM
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Quote by Paul M. "Lifton's theory to this date has remained unchanged. He's believes no shots were fired from the front. He still supports body alteration despite the impossibilities logistically for it to have occurred. He has written on line about his beliefs of underground tunnels for the assassins to have escaped and the multiple assassins were camouflaged within the plastic, removable foliage within Dealey Plaza." %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%  This should be paired up with the Zapruder was a fake rubber doll theory.
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January 15, 2012, 08:20:07 PM
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I would very much like to know the answers from people such as : David
Lifton, Jim Fetzer, James DiEugenio, Jack White, Robert Groden, on
these topics :
How about these Francois: Cablegate – In November 2010, Wikileaks began to release American diplomatic cables, from a trove of over 250,000. Filegate – The illegal possession and scrutiny of 300–900 FBI files by the Clinton Administration without the file's subject's permission. Irangate or Contragate (also referred to as the Iran-Contra Affair) – The Reagan Administration sold weapons to Iran and diverted the proceeds to the Contra rebels in Nicaragua. Monicagate, Lewinskygate, Tailgate, or Sexgate ("Zippergate", "the Lewinsky scandal") – named after Monica Lewinsky who had an "inappropriate relationship" with the then-U.S. President Bill Clinton. Nannygate (1) – a 1993 political controversy in the United States wherein the nomination of Zoë Baird and near-nomination of Kimba Wood for U.S. Attorney General were withdrawn due to the hiring of illegal aliens as nannies or the failure to pay taxes for them. Nannygate (2) – The 2006 scandal over the non-payment of employment taxes of nannies and obligatory television fees by members of the Reinfeldt cabinet. Plamegate (also "Leakgate", "CIA leak scandal", "Plame affair") – The revealing, by Robert Novak, of the name of Valerie Plame. Lewis Libby allegedly leaked to the media the identity of a covert CIA agent who worked on WMDs, in retaliation for her husband, Joseph C. Wilson, criticizing George W. Bush's justification for the invasion of Iraq. Travelgate – The 1993 firings of White House Travel Office employees at the start of the Clinton administration. Watergate – The original "gate" scandal got its name from the Watergate Hotel, where two politically motivated burglaries took place in 1972. The Watergate scandal ultimately led to the resignation of U.S. President Richard Nixon on 9 August 1974. Whitewatergate – Better known as the Whitewater controversy.
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January 15, 2012, 09:22:05 PM
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As I do not have the e-mail adresses of those authors, nor do I think
they would answer me, I would be glad if anybody here could help me
François Carlier
David Lifton is a member of this forum. He has only made one post here, and does not log on regularly, but you could try sending him a PM. David Lifton's Profile: As a guest, you are not allowed to view links.
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January 15, 2012, 09:25:42 PM
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How about these Francois:
Cablegate – In November 2010, Wikileaks began to release American diplomatic cables, from a trove of over 250,000.
Filegate – The illegal possession and scrutiny of 300–900 FBI files by the Clinton Administration without the file's subject's permission.
Irangate or Contragate (also referred to as the Iran-Contra Affair) – The Reagan Administration sold weapons to Iran and diverted the proceeds to the Contra rebels in Nicaragua.
Monicagate, Lewinskygate, Tailgate, or Sexgate ("Zippergate", "the Lewinsky scandal") – named after Monica Lewinsky who had an "inappropriate relationship" with the then-U.S. President Bill Clinton.
Nannygate (1) – a 1993 political controversy in the United States wherein the nomination of Zoë Baird and near-nomination of Kimba Wood for U.S. Attorney General were withdrawn due to the hiring of illegal aliens as nannies or the failure to pay taxes for them.
Nannygate (2) – The 2006 scandal over the non-payment of employment taxes of nannies and obligatory television fees by members of the Reinfeldt cabinet.
Plamegate (also "Leakgate", "CIA leak scandal", "Plame affair") – The revealing, by Robert Novak, of the name of Valerie Plame. Lewis Libby allegedly leaked to the media the identity of a covert CIA agent who worked on WMDs, in retaliation for her husband, Joseph C. Wilson, criticizing George W. Bush's justification for the invasion of Iraq.
Travelgate – The 1993 firings of White House Travel Office employees at the start of the Clinton administration.
Watergate – The original "gate" scandal got its name from the Watergate Hotel, where two politically motivated burglaries took place in 1972. The Watergate scandal ultimately led to the resignation of U.S. President Richard Nixon on 9 August 1974.
Whitewatergate – Better known as the Whitewater controversy.
Whats your point? You are seriously not ware that this post works against you. You listed some some scandel that alot less people would have to know about then the JFK assasination and coverup, yet there exposed right away. Then when the media got wind of it everything was brought out in the open. Yet the media has been looking at the JFK assasination for 47 years and has come up with ZERO. For some strange reason you think your post helps your cause.
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LHO had poor hand-eye coordination and proof of this is seen in the fact he couldn't drive an automobile-- R Caprio
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January 16, 2012, 01:15:16 AM
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Not sure why you would lend credibility to any of he people you named above. Lifton's theory to this date has remained unchanged. He's believes no shots were fired from the front. He still supports body alteration despite the impossibilities logistically for it to have occurred. He has written on line about his beliefs of underground tunnels for the assassins to have escaped and the multiple assassins were camouflaged within the plastic, removable foliage within Dealey Plaza.
Fetzer, the one time leader of the 9/11 truth movement has perhaps the least credibility. He never met a conspiracy he wouldn't endorse. He's written extensively about ZAP alteration, using so called experts only he endorses: Jack White, David Groden, David Healey. None of three have any educations whatsoever within the photographic community. None have been peer reviewed and two are high school droputs. Documented experts within the photographic community do not take Fetzer seriously. He was asked to leave the 9/11 truther community due to his verbosity. Fetzer believes no planes hit he WTC nor the Pentagon and that laser's from space were the cause. He endorses conspiracy in JFK, 9/11, Oklahoma City, the moon landings and God only knows what else.
DiEugenio is a meglamaniac who when confronted with any evidence disproving his thinking, simply adds more people into the vast conspiracy. He claims to be a historian of the 1960's and is a high school teacher in California. DiEugenio's ego gets in the way of discussion and rational thinking is never an alternative. It anything points away from conspiracy, DiEugenio will launch into ad hom attacks and reference people to read his conspiracy site, ctka.com
Over the years I've had discussions/shouting matches will all of these folks. They're consistently consistent. Paranoid nuts.
Oh, you mean high school dropouts like Steve Barber? Don't give this guy ammunition. He is only trying to call all conspiracy believers kooks by pointing out that some of them believe in other things which he thinks are wacky. He would never use the same tactic to point out the fact that Reagan was a kook because he believed in aliens or Nancy Reagan was a kook because she believed in astrology or Sarah Palin is a kook because she believes that the Earth is only 5,000 years old.
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January 16, 2012, 02:04:36 AM
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You meant to say that Lifton believes no shots were fired from the REAR. Incredibly, he thinks all of the shots came from the front....even though JFK & Connally were shot in their respective UPPER BACKS by bullets. (Some crazy turning bullets there, I guess, per Lifton.) And Lifton also totally ignores the multiple witnesses (Couch, Jackson, Worrell, Brennan, and Euins) who saw a rifle protruding from the sixth-floor window. Apparently, per Lifton, that gun wasn't being fired at all. It must have just been a prop to fool the witnesses. But even that goofy theory still has a problem--Harold Norman--who heard shots coming from directly above him in the TSBD. How does Lifton get around Norman? I guess he thinks Harold was mistaken--or a falsehood-teller. ~shrug~ The crazy things that some conspiracy nuts believe defy all belief--and common sense. And David S. Lifton is a shining example. As a guest, you are not allowed to view links.
Register or LoginAs usual for a WC defender you are too simplistic in your reasoning. Just seeing a rifle in the TSBD is not proof that it was used to fire the shots. It could have been a stage prop. Lifton thinks blanks were fired from the TSBD to draw attention to it and away from the grassy knoll. Then you let Lifton off the hook. You know that he thinks JFK's wounds were artificially created to make it look like the shots came from behind. But he refuses to explain Connally's back wound and the fact that we can see for ourselves the pool of blood on the back of his jacket in the Zapruder film. And he couldn't explain the dent of the chrome topping with a shot from the grassy knoll. He even tried to get away with the lie that the dent was always there because the SS said so. Ignoring the fact that I was the person who found the photos proving it was undented before Dealey Plaza.
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January 16, 2012, 02:13:01 AM
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Register or LoginVery interesting thread about core beliefes revolving around the Z film... From there you should be able to findwhat you search for... as well as at CTKA.net Good luck DJ Hello everybody,
For my research, I would like to know what famous conspiracy theorists
believe with regards to some specific theories. Who agree with such
theory, and who rejects it ?
I would very much like to know the answers from people such as : David
Lifton, Jim Fetzer, James DiEugenio, Jack White, Robert Groden, on
these topics :
- The Armstrong two-Oswald theory
- the body-alteration theory
- the Zapruder-film-is-fake theory
- the autopsy-X-rays-are-fake theory
- the autopsy-pictures-are-fake theory
- the Judith-Baker-says-the-truth theory
- the we-did-not-go-to-the-moon theory
- the no-plane-on-the-Pentagon theory
a simple YES or a NO would do.
As I do not have the e-mail adresses of those authors, nor do I think
they would answer me, I would be glad if anybody here could help me
forward my message or answer it if you know the answers.
Thanks in advance.
/François Carlier/
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