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 January 15, 2012, 03:33:06 AM
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Just want to ask the logical LN'ers of this forum.
So the average IQ Oswald who somehow have super sniper scores in Marine training, for some reason missed the 2nd shot by alot. Kills the Potus by himself on the last lucky shot to the head right before limo flees, then runs miles to house pick up gun and runs miles to a theatre to wait for capture.
thats awesome, he doesnt want attention at the time of the killing runs and hides , but then later he wants to be the lone nutter and be famouse so he hides at the movie theatre after he escaped.
ok awesome can someone please explain why this happened?
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January 17, 2012, 05:16:28 AM
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Two false statements in one sentence. Oswald had an above average intelligence, 118. And he scored just one point above flunking out on the range.
We don't know which shot missed. Max Holland and many WC defenders think it was the first shot.
If you want to be famous you don't run and hide in a theater. You shout out some slogan like Booth.
Except that Booth also fled the scene of the crime in an effort not to get caught.
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January 17, 2012, 05:37:03 AM
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Three shots from Oswald Three hits?
In one of the follow up cars a person said that he saw a bullet hit behind the limo carrying JKF & JC another shot?
There are photo's showing what could be bullets hits along Elm street another two shots?
Ok if Oswald fired three shots then where did the other three come from
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January 17, 2012, 03:03:01 PM
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"In my view the SBT is a mistake. All three shots were fired by Oswald and, according to those who witnessed it, all three struck either JFK or JBC or both."
You're right about the SBT and wrong about 3 shots 3 hits.
The shot that hit the curb near James Tague was not a separate shot. It showed no trace of copper, only lead and antimony. So it was a fragment. We know this also by the fact that no concrete was dislodged by the impact. Tague recalled that it was not the first shot and he thought he recalled a shot after he was hit. He recalled only three shots. There were only three shots, according to all the evidence. Witnesses say JFK reacted to the first shot. The second shot hit JBC in the back/armpit. The third shot hit JFK in the head. Three shots. Three hits. That is what the evidence says.
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January 17, 2012, 08:00:13 PM
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Just want to ask the logical LN'ers of this forum.
So the average IQ Oswald who somehow have super sniper scores in Marine training, for some reason missed the 2nd shot by alot. Kills the Potus by himself on the last lucky shot to the head right before limo flees, then runs miles to house pick up gun and runs miles to a theatre to wait for capture.
thats awesome, he doesnt want attention at the time of the killing runs and hides , but then later he wants to be the lone nutter and be famouse so he hides at the movie theatre after he escaped.
ok awesome can someone please explain why this happened?
Oswald never expected to get out of the TSBD. His planning was limited to the shooting. When he did get out he had few options. Get a gun, make a run for it. His behavior was such that he didn't get far. If he was innocent, why leave work, get a gun and shoot a police officer? Motive is subject to speculation in most any case. Just because we can't know his motive with scientific precision or isn't entirely logical doesn't mean he is innocent. In this case, it doesn't appear that Oswald had any personal issue with JFK. He was a target of opportunity. Oswald was an anti-social type. Few friends, mostly kept to himself. He likely believed the world was made up of inferiors who didn't appreciate his talents. He wanted credit for doing something notable. As the suspected murderer of the President, he received as much attention as the confessed murderer. There was no greater notoriety to be obtained by confessing at that point.
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January 17, 2012, 11:13:11 PM
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The shot that hit the curb near James Tague was not a separate shot. It showed no trace of copper, only lead and antimony. So it was a fragment. We know this also by the fact that no concrete was dislodged by the impact. Tague recalled that it was not the first shot and he thought he recalled a shot after he was hit. He recalled only three shots. There were only three shots, according to all the evidence. Witnesses say JFK reacted to the first shot. The second shot hit JBC in the back/armpit. The third shot hit JFK in the head. Three shots. Three hits. That is what the evidence says.
In Mark Furman's book "A simple act of murder", he believes that James Tague was nicked on the cheek by a fragment from the fatal head shot at frame 313. He rules out the first shot missing and hitting Tague in which I believed for years. So I agree with Furman. HE ALSO STATES THAT OSWALD ACTED ALONE ... in which I also believe. ONE THING I do disagree with in this post is that Tague did not realize he was even injured or cut UNTIL a police officer noticed the nick on Tague's cheek and asked him where he was standing.
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January 17, 2012, 11:36:13 PM
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The shot that hit the curb near James Tague was not a separate shot. It showed no trace of copper, only lead and antimony. So it was a fragment. We know this also by the fact that no concrete was dislodged by the impact. Tague recalled that it was not the first shot and he thought he recalled a shot after he was hit. He recalled only three shots. There were only three shots, according to all the evidence. Witnesses say JFK reacted to the first shot. The second shot hit JBC in the back/armpit. The third shot hit JFK in the head. Three shots. Three hits. That is what the evidence says.
Almost correct. But even a medium sized lead core fragment will chip out the concrete and it did in this case. Imagine it's the lead core squeezed from the base fragment they found in the car which is only the jacket.
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January 18, 2012, 01:03:32 AM
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The shot that hit the curb near James Tague was not a separate shot. It showed no trace of copper, only lead and antimony. So it was a fragment. We know this also by the fact that no concrete was dislodged by the impact. Tague recalled that it was not the first shot and he thought he recalled a shot after he was hit. He recalled only three shots. There were only three shots, according to all the evidence. Witnesses say JFK reacted to the first shot. The second shot hit JBC in the back/armpit. The third shot hit JFK in the head. Three shots. Three hits. That is what the evidence says.
So where is the spectograph of the bullet hit?
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January 18, 2012, 02:13:27 AM
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In Mark Furman's book "A simple act of murder", he believes that James Tague was nicked on the cheek by a fragment from the fatal head shot at frame 313. He rules out the first shot missing and hitting Tague in which I believed for years.
So I agree with Furman. HE ALSO STATES THAT OSWALD ACTED ALONE ... in which I also believe.
ONE THING I do disagree with in this post is that Tague did not realize he was even injured or cut UNTIL a police officer noticed the nick on Tague's cheek and asked him where he was standing.
Does that mean he didn't feel the impact? He said he did. He just didn't realize he was cut until the officer mentioned it. He said that he was hit on the second or third shot but when questioned further he said: Mr. LIEBELER. Did you hear any more shots after you felt yourself get hit in the face? Mr. TAGUE. I believe I did. Mr. LIEBELER. You think you did? Mr. TAGUE. I believe I did. Mr. LIEBELER. How many? Mr. TAGUE. I believe that it was the second shot, so I heard the third shot afterwards. Mr. LIEBELER. Did you hear three shots? Mr. TAGUE. I heard three shots; yes sir.
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January 18, 2012, 02:21:17 AM
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So where is the spectograph of the bullet hit?
The FBI has it. As a guest, you are not allowed to view links.
Register or Login contains the letter from the FBI to the Commission giving the results of the spectrographic analysis.
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January 18, 2012, 02:23:11 AM
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Almost correct. But even a medium sized lead core fragment will chip out the concrete and it did in this case. Imagine it's the lead core squeezed from the base fragment they found in the car which is only the jacket.
The As a guest, you are not allowed to view links.
Register or Login(who first saw it) said there was no chipping of the concrete. What is your evidence that they were wrong?
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January 18, 2012, 09:24:58 AM
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The As a guest, you are not allowed to view links.
Register or Login(who first saw it) said there was no chipping of the concrete. What is your evidence that they were wrong? The Dillard photo and the FBI report which said there was a smear inside the mark.
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January 18, 2012, 10:26:24 PM
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The FBI has it. As a guest, you are not allowed to view links.
Register or Login contains the letter from the FBI to the Commission giving the results of the spectrographic analysis. Again, Where is the spectograph? A letter from the corrupt leader of a duplicitous organization carries little weight.
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