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 January 13, 2012, 07:54:50 PM
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Hi Everyone
For many years i have been intrigued by one of the "corridoor" statements LHO made to the press as he was being moved around the Police Dept. In response to a press question he says " No, i havent been charged with that yet". He was of course replying to the question, have you been charged with the assassination of the President.
I believe its very interesting as to why he added the word "YET" to his reply. Im convinced me and you and most of us would have simply said " I havent been charged with that" (if we were replying to that question).
Why add the word YET?
Is this some kind of unintentional slip of the tongue by LHO - with him already knowing that he was part of the overall conspiracy and his handlers might have told him beforehand that he would get arrested - AND BE READY FOR THAT HAPPENING - but dont be concerned - we will get you out of that situation. Just play along and we will sort it for you??????
Does anyone else find the use of this word of interest?
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Mike ONeill
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January 16, 2012, 06:46:18 AM
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David, here's a link to the article that I got the quote from: As a guest, you are not allowed to view links.
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January 16, 2012, 09:25:53 PM
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David, here's a link to the article that I got the quote from: As a guest, you are not allowed to view links.
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and you dont even link to his testimony but to an article that says he said he said he said... 
Is there or is there NOT any CORROBORATION for anything this man says Oswald says....?
Or we just supposed to believe him... because 
You say so?
Nichols: By that time we had gotten to a portion of the jail that was separated by bars and a door. Beyond that door were three separate cells, and there was an officer seated outside one, and then we went through the first door and got to that point and Mr. Oswald was in the center of the three cells, no one being in the other two, and there was an officer seated outside there. The chief had the officer open the door, and he introduced me to Oswald, and told him my name and said that I was the president of the Dallas Bar Association and had come up to see him about whether or not he needed or wanted a lawyer, and then the chief stepped back and--I don't really know how far away. He was at least--he was far enough removed where I couldn't observe him or see him there in the cell. The officer stayed just right outside the door there. I reintroduced myself to Oswald and told him my name, and that I was president of the Dallas bar, and that I had come up to see him about whether or not he had a lawyer, or needed a lawyer, or wanted a lawyer, and suggested that he sit down. So, he sat on one bunk and I sat on the other. Maybe 3 or 4 feet apart. When I got there he was lying on a bunk, and then he stood up when I came in and then he sat on one bunk and I sat on the other, much as you and I are seated here, only actually, a little bit closer, and I asked him if he had a lawyer, and he said, "Well, he really didn't know what it was all about, that he was--had been incarcerated, and kept incommunicado, and I said, "Well, I have come up to see whether or not you want a lawyer, because as I under-stand--" I am not exactly sure what I said there, or whether he said something about not knowing what happened to President Kennedy, or I said that I understood that he was arrested for the shot that killed the President, and I don't remember who said what after that. This is a little bit vague. Mr. NICHOLS. "Either Mr. Abt or someone who is a member of the American Civil Liberties Union, and if I can find a lawyer here who believes in anything I believe in, and believes as I believe, and believes in my innocence"-then paused a little bit, and went on a little bit and said, "as much as he can, I might let him represent me." I said, "What I am interested in knowing is right now, do you want me or the Dallas Bar Association to try to get you a lawyer?" He said, "No, not now." He said, "You might come back next week, and if I don't get some of these other people to represent me, I might ask you to get somebody to represent me." I said, "Well, now, all I want to do is to make it clear to you, and to me, whether or not you want me or the Dallas Bar Association to do anything about getting a lawyer right now." And he said, "No." I was satisfied in my own mind that he knew what he was doing, and that he didn't want me or the Dallas Bar Association to do anything right now. So, I left, and as I left the chief asked me whether or not I wanted to make a statement to the press, and I said, "Well, I don't know whether I do or not. I don't know whether it is the thing to do or not." And he said, "Well, they are going to be right outside the door there, and if you want to say anything this would be an opportunity to do it." He said, "Incidentally, I am very glad you came up here. We don't want any question coming up about us refusing to let him have a lawyer. As far as know, he has never asked for one. He has never asked to call one." And I believe the chief mentioned that Mr. Abt's name, but he said, has never asked us to call him." He said, "Do you think we have an obligation?" And I said, "I don't know." He said, "I am glad that you came down and talked to him. At least that takes a problem off of us about not furnishing him a lawyer."
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January 16, 2012, 09:33:43 PM
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As I thought... it's a whole bunch of HE SAID HE SAID... with no corroboration at all... like your Leavelle statements... the WCR SAID that Leavelle SAID that OSWALD SAID...
and you dont even link to his testimony but to an article that says he said he said he said...
Is there or is there NOT any CORROBORATION for anything this man says Oswald says....?
Or we just supposed to believe him... because
You say so?
Nichols: By that time we had gotten to a portion of the jail that was separated by bars and a door. Beyond that door were three separate cells, and there was an officer seated outside one, and then we went through the first door and got to that point and Mr. Oswald was in the center of the three cells, no one being in the other two, and there was an officer seated outside there. The chief had the officer open the door, and he introduced me to Oswald, and told him my name and said that I was the president of the Dallas Bar Association and had come up to see him about whether or not he needed or wanted a lawyer, and then the chief stepped back and--I don't really know how far away. He was at least--he was far enough removed where I couldn't observe him or see him there in the cell. The officer stayed just right outside the door there. I reintroduced myself to Oswald and told him my name, and that I was president of the Dallas bar, and that I had come up to see him about whether or not he had a lawyer, or needed a lawyer, or wanted a lawyer, and suggested that he sit down. So, he sat on one bunk and I sat on the other. Maybe 3 or 4 feet apart. When I got there he was lying on a bunk, and then he stood up when I came in and then he sat on one bunk and I sat on the other, much as you and I are seated here, only actually, a little bit closer, and I asked him if he had a lawyer, and he said, "Well, he really didn't know what it was all about, that he was--had been incarcerated, and kept incommunicado, and I said, "Well, I have come up to see whether or not you want a lawyer, because as I under-stand--" I am not exactly sure what I said there, or whether he said something about not knowing what happened to President Kennedy, or I said that I understood that he was arrested for the shot that killed the President, and I don't remember who said what after that. This is a little bit vague. Mr. NICHOLS. "Either Mr. Abt or someone who is a member of the American Civil Liberties Union, and if I can find a lawyer here who believes in anything I believe in, and believes as I believe, and believes in my innocence"-then paused a little bit, and went on a little bit and said, "as much as he can, I might let him represent me." I said, "What I am interested in knowing is right now, do you want me or the Dallas Bar Association to try to get you a lawyer?" He said, "No, not now." He said, "You might come back next week, and if I don't get some of these other people to represent me, I might ask you to get somebody to represent me." I said, "Well, now, all I want to do is to make it clear to you, and to me, whether or not you want me or the Dallas Bar Association to do anything about getting a lawyer right now." And he said, "No." I was satisfied in my own mind that he knew what he was doing, and that he didn't want me or the Dallas Bar Association to do anything right now. So, I left, and as I left the chief asked me whether or not I wanted to make a statement to the press, and I said, "Well, I don't know whether I do or not. I don't know whether it is the thing to do or not." And he said, "Well, they are going to be right outside the door there, and if you want to say anything this would be an opportunity to do it." He said, "Incidentally, I am very glad you came up here. We don't want any question coming up about us refusing to let him have a lawyer. As far as know, he has never asked for one. He has never asked to call one." And I believe the chief mentioned that Mr. Abt's name, but he said, has never asked us to call him." He said, "Do you think we have an obligation?" And I said, "I don't know." He said, "I am glad that you came down and talked to him. At least that takes a problem off of us about not furnishing him a lawyer." Sorry, David. I keep forgetting that, to the paranoid mind, everyone lied in one way or another in an effort to screw over your favorite patsy.
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January 17, 2012, 12:34:26 AM
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Sorry, David. I keep forgetting that, to the paranoid mind, everyone lied in one way or another in an effort to screw over your favorite patsy.
No Bill. Whenever a key witness is impeached in a post the LNer kooks post the same BS you wasted band width on.
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January 17, 2012, 12:37:08 AM
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As I thought... it's a whole bunch of HE SAID HE SAID... with no corroboration at all... like your Leavelle statements... the WCR SAID that Leavelle SAID that OSWALD SAID...
and you dont even link to his testimony but to an article that says he said he said he said...
Is there or is there NOT any CORROBORATION for anything this man says Oswald says....?
Or we just supposed to believe him... because
You say so?
This crap coming from a paranoid loon who believes, with NO physical or ballistic evidence that "up to 8 shots" were fired in Dealey Plaza! Ya gotta chuckle and shake your head at his garbage. Nichols: By that time we had gotten to a portion of the jail that was separated by bars and a door. Beyond that door were three separate cells, and there was an officer seated outside one, and then we went through the first door and got to that point and Mr. Oswald was in the center of the three cells, no one being in the other two, and there was an officer seated outside there. The chief had the officer open the door, and he introduced me to Oswald, and told him my name and said that I was the president of the Dallas Bar Association and had come up to see him about whether or not he needed or wanted a lawyer, and then the chief stepped back and--I don't really know how far away. He was at least--he was far enough removed where I couldn't observe him or see him there in the cell. The officer stayed just right outside the door there. I reintroduced myself to Oswald and told him my name, and that I was president of the Dallas bar, and that I had come up to see him about whether or not he had a lawyer, or needed a lawyer, or wanted a lawyer, and suggested that he sit down. So, he sat on one bunk and I sat on the other. Maybe 3 or 4 feet apart. When I got there he was lying on a bunk, and then he stood up when I came in and then he sat on one bunk and I sat on the other, much as you and I are seated here, only actually, a little bit closer, and I asked him if he had a lawyer, and he said, "Well, he really didn't know what it was all about, that he was--had been incarcerated, and kept incommunicado, and I said, "Well, I have come up to see whether or not you want a lawyer, because as I under-stand--" I am not exactly sure what I said there, or whether he said something about not knowing what happened to President Kennedy, or I said that I understood that he was arrested for the shot that killed the President, and I don't remember who said what after that. This is a little bit vague. Mr. NICHOLS. "Either Mr. Abt or someone who is a member of the American Civil Liberties Union, and if I can find a lawyer here who believes in anything I believe in, and believes as I believe, and believes in my innocence"-then paused a little bit, and went on a little bit and said, "as much as he can, I might let him represent me." I said, "What I am interested in knowing is right now, do you want me or the Dallas Bar Association to try to get you a lawyer?" He said, "No, not now." He said, "You might come back next week, and if I don't get some of these other people to represent me, I might ask you to get somebody to represent me." I said, "Well, now, all I want to do is to make it clear to you, and to me, whether or not you want me or the Dallas Bar Association to do anything about getting a lawyer right now." And he said, "No." I was satisfied in my own mind that he knew what he was doing, and that he didn't want me or the Dallas Bar Association to do anything right now. So, I left, and as I left the chief asked me whether or not I wanted to make a statement to the press, and I said, "Well, I don't know whether I do or not. I don't know whether it is the thing to do or not." And he said, "Well, they are going to be right outside the door there, and if you want to say anything this would be an opportunity to do it." He said, "Incidentally, I am very glad you came up here. We don't want any question coming up about us refusing to let him have a lawyer. As far as know, he has never asked for one. He has never asked to call one." And I believe the chief mentioned that Mr. Abt's name, but he said, has never asked us to call him." He said, "Do you think we have an obligation?" And I said, "I don't know." He said, "I am glad that you came down and talked to him. At least that takes a problem off of us about not furnishing him a lawyer."
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January 18, 2012, 10:28:44 PM
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Bill, Paul or whoever Simply provide the corroboration that what this man SAYS Oswald said... Oswald actually said... Prove your position... why is that so hard?
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January 19, 2012, 12:13:21 AM
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Bill, Paul or whoever Simply provide the corroboration that what this man SAYS Oswald said... Oswald actually said... Prove your position... why is that so hard? David, the link below will take you to the sworn testimony taken from Nichols. If you refuse to accept that testimony and believe Nichols was lying...well, not really any point in trying to disscus this with you anymore is there? This is just getting silly. As a guest, you are not allowed to view links.
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January 19, 2012, 02:36:04 AM
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David, the link below will take you to the sworn testimony taken from Nichols. If you refuse to accept that testimony and believe Nichols was lying...well, not really any point in trying to disscus this with you anymore is there? This is just getting silly. As a guest, you are not allowed to view links.
Register or LoginNot refusing or disbelieving Denis... simply asking for corroboration... When a CT says the Zfilm was altered... that the limo stopped... and quotes over a dozen eyewitnesses saying the same thing... there is SOME corroboration of that event occurring... You would like to see the proof... or argue that the stop NOT being in the Zfilm is NOT evidence for the stop... YOU claim the limo didn't stop and present your case... YOU expect corroborated evidence to prove ANYTHING... Tell me... when people of all makes and models will LIE about just about anything... we should take the word of this man without a shred of evidence that what HE SAYS OSWALD SAID was really what he said... Did Oswald say anything about being a Patsy? When Seth said that Oswald said something about "Patsy" we believe him NOT because Seth's a great guy... but because the event has corroborated evidence - it was captured on film How many incorrect affidavits were signed which were completely ignored and/or reversed in front of the WC? Auto shells that were not, rifles that were not, stairs that were not.... Coke's that were not.... And in EVERY CASE making Oswald look more guilty... Yet you want us to just accept the uncorroborated, unrecorded recollection of what HE SAYS OSWALD SAYS.... Markham's 1:07 time with Bowley's 1:10 is corroborated... this is easily dismiss by y'all... yet an independent account of Oswald's words without a shred of supporting evidence is all good... Yes Denis... what's silly is the LoneNutters refusal to offer corroboration and authentication for the evidence they THINK would be accepted by a court of law... to support conclusions decided upon before the investigation ever began... I've asked others... now you Denis... pick any one of the 12 conclusions of the WCR... and PROVE THEM CORRECT... authenticate the evidence that leads to any one of these conclusions... Nobody's been able to do it in the 48 years since the assassination... You willing to try one... or just  ??
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January 19, 2012, 02:41:33 AM
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So not only were there no notes taken or tape recorded... Nichols has to reconstruct the conversation from his memory...  Mr. STERN. Your activities with respect to Oswald were unusual, though, and not pursuant to any established arrangement?
Mr. NICHOLS. That's right. Mr. STERN. Did you, Mr. Nichols, make any notes of your activities on November 23, 1963, either at the time, or did you at any later time have occasion to prepare a written report of your activities? Mr. NICHOLS. I did not make any notes at the time, and I didn't make any notes as such, subsequently, after Mr. Oswald was killed. And why, I don't know. It didn't, occur to me to do so. Later Mr. Leon Jaworski, a Houston, Tex. attorney, called me and said that he was going to go to Miami, Fla., to the meeting of American Trial Lawyers, and had been asked. to make a report of some sort on the Oswald matter and he asked me if I would write him a letter outlining what I had done in connection with interviewing Oswald, and attempting to see whether or not he wanted the Dallas Bar Association to provide counsel. I did, at that time, write a letter to Mr. Jaworski outlining as I recalled at that time exactly what transpired. Later the president of the Houston Bar Association, George Barrow, called me and said he was going to make a little talk in Houston, or write a little article in a publication and would like to know what I had done, and he knew about the letter I had sent to Jaworski, and wanted to know if I would send him a copy of my letter to him, or outline what I had done. I said it would be easier to give him a copy of the letter I had written to Leon, because I have it, so I sent him a copy and those are the only notes I made or statements that I have made in writing regarding this transaction except I did reproduce a copy of the letter to Mr. Jaworski, which I furnished to you.
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January 19, 2012, 07:56:50 AM
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Nichols offered legal representation to Oswald, which was denied by the wretched waif.
Oswald said he wanted a New York lawyer named John Abt or a lawyer associated with the American Civil Liberties Union to represent him. Oswald also wanted a lawyer "who believes as I believe, and believes in my innocence."
Nichols: "What I am interested in is knowing right now, do you want me or the Dallas Bar Association to try to get you a lawyer?"
Oswald: "No. Not right now."
David, I do not need corroboration to believe that Oswald declined Nichols' offer. I'm not playing by your overly paranoid rules and this is NOT a court of law. You either believe Nichols or you don't.
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