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Bob Prudhomme and John Mytton raised the problem of rearrangement of the boxes in the 6th floor East window. Dunno if we are talking of the same thing. I have a problem about postion of the boxes from outside. On this picture, side by side , we see different position of the boxes at 12h30. The different perspective does not explain the position of supplementary boxes at 12h30. It is not the only problem. renactment pictures and others show different arrangements. As a guest, you are not allowed to view links.
Register or LoginAccording to Powell, he made the right picture 30 seconds after hearing a shot. According to Jarman and Williams, they were not hanging out the window 1 minute after the third shot. Anyway, what happened to the box during this minute? Jarman testimony: Mr. BALL - How long was it before you ran down to the west end, from the time of the shots until you ran down to the west end, about how much time do you think it was?
Mr. BALL - After the third shot was fired I would say it was about a minute. Bonnie ray williams testimony Mr. WILLIAMS. I think Jarman, he I think he moved before any of us. He moved towards us, and he said, "Man, somebody is shooting at the President." And I think I said again, "No bull  ." And then we all kind of got excited, you know, and, as I remember, I don't remember him saying that he thought the shots came from overhead. But we all decided we would run down to the west side of the building.
Mr. BALL. You ran down to the west side of the building?
Mr. WILLIAMS. Yes, sir.
Representative FORD.Ran down to the west side? You mean you were still on the fifth floor?
Mr. WILLIAMS. Yes; we were on the fifth floor, the east side of the building. We saw the policemen and people running, scared, running--there are some tracks on the west side of the building, railroad tracks. They were running. towards that way.As a guest, you are not allowed to view links.
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January 12, 2012, 12:20:51 PM
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January 12, 2012, 01:54:34 PM
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Thank you robin. The text depicts a rearrangement between 12h42 and 16 h , but the powell and dillard are made between 12h30 and 12h31 according to three testimonies Jarman-William and Powell. Maybe some Allen visible on the contact sheets could help. Happily, the angle of the sun put shadows on the bricks patterns and allow to see that they were made within the same minute. I'm now trying to see by the evolution of the shadow on the brick patterns which picture was made before the other one. And this is how the window looked when the limo came to houston street. As a guest, you are not allowed to view links.
Register or LoginAfter having ckecked, Dillard Picture made have been taken 30 seconds before Powell , no more. The bricks and window pattern with shadows are the same except one tiny centimeter of white wood in the top center of the fifth floor window, a very tiny difference, so.. 30 seconds between Dillard and Powell. About powell's location; he was at the west north edge of the sidewalk houston and elm, at the feets of the record building. As a guest, you are not allowed to view links.
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January 26, 2012, 08:18:29 PM
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John Mytton took this subject without quoting it , and pretended it was a trick of light and angle, same object on Powell and Dillard. here is a demonstration that the objects are in a different configuration. Anyway, being not LN nor CT, i observe how LN's are using cheap tricks to burry their contradiction. It is a trick used in "shopenhauer's "art of contradiction", pretend to solve without to quote the datas of the problem. About the so called " angle and light " trick, this is below an image of the POWELL objects as seen by DILLARD position. The boxes are not as the same place.It only proove that we all have a lot of work to do. If a LN shooter was here, he occupied a good part of the 6th floor west window and put boxes somewhere else after 12h30. Those who want to check can use pieces of sugar through a hole in paper. The amount of light falling on the boxes is the same on all boxes 155-165/256. This is different on the Dillard boxes 182/256 th difference between the boxes near the window and those in the background. so .. PROBLEM NOT SOLVED. As a guest, you are not allowed to view links.
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January 27, 2012, 03:51:10 AM
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John Mytton took this subject without quoting it , and pretended it was a trick of light and angle, same object on Powell and Dillard. here is a demonstration that the objects are in a different configuration. Anyway, being not LN nor CT, i observe how LN's are using cheap tricks to burry their contradiction. It is a trick used in "shopenhauer's "art of contradiction", pretend to solve without to quote the datas of the problem. About the so called " angle and light " trick, this is below an image of the POWELL objects as seen by DILLARD position. The boxes are not as the same place.It only proove that we all have a lot of work to do. If a LN shooter was here, he occupied a good part of the 6th floor west window and put boxes somewhere else after 12h30. Those who want to check can use pieces of sugar through a hole in paper. The amount of light falling on the boxes is the same on all boxes 155-165/256. This is different on the Dillard boxes 182/256 th difference between the boxes near the window and those in the background. so .. PROBLEM NOT SOLVED. As a guest, you are not allowed to view links.
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January 27, 2012, 04:50:57 AM
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John Mytton took this subject without quoting it , and pretended it was a trick of light and angle, same object on Powell and Dillard. here is a demonstration that the objects are in a different configuration. Anyway, being not LN nor CT, i observe how LN's are using cheap tricks to burry their contradiction. It is a trick used in "shopenhauer's "art of contradiction", pretend to solve without to quote the datas of the problem. About the so called " angle and light " trick, this is below an image of the POWELL objects as seen by DILLARD position. The boxes are not as the same place.It only proove that we all have a lot of work to do. If a LN shooter was here, he occupied a good part of the 6th floor west window and put boxes somewhere else after 12h30. Those who want to check can use pieces of sugar through a hole in paper. The amount of light falling on the boxes is the same on all boxes 155-165/256. This is different on the Dillard boxes 182/256 th difference between the boxes near the window and those in the background. so .. PROBLEM NOT SOLVED. As a guest, you are not allowed to view links.
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Register or LoginThierry I took nothing from no one, but i now realize I did use your "copy and paste" of the Powell/Dillard photo, as one element in my copy and paste. Let's face facts, as you say in the first line of this thread BobP and JohnM(me) were talking about the boxes in the Snipers Nest and I specifically said; JohnM 55 General Category / JFK Assassination General Discussion & Debate / Re: This Is What I Think Happend-Thread on: January 11, 2012, 05:51:11 AMBob
I checked the photos and i think I know what's going on, I will start a thread soon because you're right, it deserves closer attention.
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Posted by: Thierry Speth Posted on: January 11, 2012, 04:24:11 PMThen I wander over here a few hours later and see you have hijacked my idea with your insipid gibberish and turned my Gold idea into poo. So I waited and gathered further evidence then unleashed my brilliant analysis. There is so many problems with your spatial awareness and methods, that i don't even know if it's worth explaining to you any further, but i will give it a try. JohnM
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January 29, 2012, 12:37:03 AM
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Rick Yes i may have overstated my amateur credentials, and i do get it wrong occasionally, but i nailed this one.    I don't know what you think you are doing, but it is impossible to see the stack of boxes from the street. They are too far back in the shadow. The HSCA had to enhance the Dillard photo to see the third Negro on the fifth floor. The pattern of the boxes we can see in the Dillard photo or even the Powell photo do not match the way they were photographed by the crime scene team much later. The cops were playing musical boxes and created 4 different arrangements. They were professional room decorators demonstrating their skills. The box which bothers me the most is the one closest to the window sill and high enough to be seen almost touching the post between window #1 and window #2. I don't think they had antigrav then so it must be sitting on at least one of two other boxes to appear that high. Yet these boxes do not appear in the crime scene photos there. I think the cops found these three boxes and rearranged them to create the sniper's nest complete with gun rest.
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January 29, 2012, 01:32:14 AM
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I don't know what you think you are doing, but it is impossible to see the stack of boxes from the street. They are too far back in the shadow.
The HSCA had to enhance the Dillard photo to see the third Negro on the fifth floor.
The pattern of the boxes we can see in the Dillard photo or even the Powell photo do not match the way they were photographed by the crime scene team much later. The cops were playing musical boxes and created 4 different arrangements.
They were professional room decorators demonstrating their skills.
The box which bothers me the most is the one closest to the window sill and high enough to be seen almost touching the post between window #1 and window #2. I don't think they had antigrav then so it must be sitting on at least one of two other boxes to appear that high. Yet these boxes do not appear in the crime scene photos there. I think the cops found these three boxes and rearranged them to create the sniper's nest complete with gun rest.
Anthony I know exactly what I'm doing, it is your bias and lack of spatial awareness holding you back from the truth! The windows have NO curtains or blinds, and these windows being made of glass, allowed sunlight to fall directly on the boxes which were just behind the window. See this example, did you honestly believe that the sun couldn't illuminate those boxes?   Your point about the boxes being moved by the Police is irrelevent, since this thread is only concerned if Oswald moved the boxes within 60seconds of killing his President. See Anthony, Oswald was spotted on the 2nd floor lunchroom 90 seconds after he assassinated JFK, so if he was moving boxes he would not have time to do so, but i have established that no boxes were moved until the DP did so later. You can tell the DP removed the end stack of boxes in the official snipers nest photo's, no doubt to allow better access and for clearer photo's of the actual rifle rest, but has little to do with this discussion. BTW With many eyewitness looking at this exact window immediately following the shooting, how come no one saw or reported anybody moving any boxes, to make the stack as you describe would require the moving of many boxes in direct sunlight within 60 secs of shot's from this window? I don't think so, try again. JohnM.
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January 29, 2012, 06:46:18 AM
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Anthony I know exactly what I'm doing, it is your bias and lack of spatial awareness holding you back from the truth! The windows have NO curtains or blinds, and these windows being made of glass, allowed sunlight to fall directly on the boxes which were just behind the window. See this example, did you honestly believe that the sun couldn't illuminate those boxes? Your point about the boxes being moved by the Police is irrelevent, since this thread is only concerned if Oswald moved the boxes within 60seconds of killing his President. See Anthony, Oswald was spotted on the 2nd floor lunchroom 90 seconds after he assassinated JFK, so if he was moving boxes he would not have time to do so, but i have established that no boxes were moved until the DP did so later. You can tell the DP removed the end stack of boxes in the official snipers nest photo's, no doubt to allow better access and for clearer photo's of the actual rifle rest, but has little to do with this discussion. BTW With many eyewitness looking at this exact window immediately following the shooting, how come no one saw or reported anybody moving any boxes, to make the stack as you describe would require the moving of many boxes in direct sunlight within 60 secs of shot's from this window? I don't think so, try again. JohnM. Funny thing about witnesses that day. There seems to be an awful lot of them that were never called to testify. And a lot that gave statements to the FBI, often unsigned, found out years later that their statements were changed.
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