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May 24, 2012, 07:19:39 AM
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Question: Who is it sitting upright in the last couple of Z-frames
John Connally
John F. Kennedy
The driver Bill Greer
nobody, it is the bouquet of flowers
I don't see anybody
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Geof Nis (odd name) and others claim that the person we see in the last couple of Z-frames sitting upright in his seat is John Connally.
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I doubted that and think it is JFK whose dead body was pushed up by Jackie after she climbed back into the car.

After I looked closer at the Z film, the MPI medium zoomed version, I am not so sure anymore. It looks as if it is indeed Connally.

I have stabilized the Z frames starting with Z-221, that is when Connally is first visible after the limo reappeared from behind the roadsign.

The focus is on Connally's face. His face is always in the center of the video frame (not of the Z-film). The "anchor" so to say is Connally's head/face. You can check it by placing your mouse cursor over his head and leave it there, the cursor is always on his head.
Since a GIF animation is way to large I put together a video an uploaded it to YouTube.

I am still undecided, I think it is possible that after we lose Connally for a couple of frames when he disappears behind the Turnpike roadsign he was going down in his seat completely and JFK was pushed up by Jackie by then.

Here is the Video:

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PS: the center of the crosshairs I have added represents the exact center of the videoframe (not the center of the Z-film).


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Hi Gerda

In my small 9 - frame animation, i also had to rotate the z-frame approx  1.2 - degree's anti clockwise and resize the frame.

To be honest i'm not sure where i got those frames ( I can't remember ) maybe they were posted by Bernice or Chris.

I may have snagged them from the   "3  shots that changed america" DVD  ?


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« Last Edit: January 26, 2012, 10:44:54 AM by Robin Unger »

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Robin,

great frames, what was the source where you extracted the frames from ?

This is an overly of Z454 and one of the SS re-enactment frames. I had to rotate the Z frame 1.8° anti clockwise and stretch the Z frame a bit in order to align with the fence.

Gif ani:




Gerda

Very nice alignment with the overpass, the fence, and the tree


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« Last Edit: January 26, 2012, 10:49:59 AM by Robin Unger »

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Gif ani:


Zapruder was filming 8mm with a telephoto lens set on maximum telephoto.
The b/w SS frames were most likely shot with a 16mm camera, at what setting I do not know, they look like "wide angle" as they cover more of the surrounding area. Yet the cars in the SS frames appear to be larger than the limo or the lead car in Z. Should the limo in the Z frames not be larger than the car in the bw frames ? Because it was shot at telephoto setting ? Max. Telephoto would makes things look bigger would it not ?
(hope you can follow my thinking )= or is this an error in reasoning on my part ?!


OK forget about the above, Z shot at max telephoto and the SS at an wider angle... that is what both frames show



same subject from same position at different lense settings



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« Last Edit: January 26, 2012, 07:15:49 PM by Gerda Dunckel »

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Hi Gerda,

Nice work.

See my Bell vs Zapruder new posting.

chris


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Hey guys;

This is my first post here :)

I think I may have read it in one of my newer books about the JFK assassination. (Dont ask me which one, as Ive read a few of them as of late ;) I will look if it really becomes an issue however)

But would this point of the limo ride not be at the point where Jackie is saying something to the likes of 'they killed my husband, I have his brains in my hand' (I do know that it was said after she got back in the limo, from apparently getting some of the matter from the back trunk).

Connolly heard it once, where it was said that Jackie was repeating this in the car... Connolly only heard it once however because he was then unconscious in the car as a result of his injuries.
By Connolly's account, he remembers up to the lane change that Greer pulls... Jackie say the words once, then he was out.

According to Dr Crenshaw, a lot of people didnt/dont realize how close to death the Governor was.

Now this being said... I really havent spent a whole lot of time watching the Z-film past 380... So this is rather new area for me... But I do have to say it does look like JFK was sitting up in those frames.

The backbrace Kennedy wore impeded his mobility. leaving him quite rigid in the back seat, sitting down (or so I have read). From what I have understood that to mean is that his body would not be as limp, and flexible, even in death. His torso was very rigid when in the brace... I would imagine if Jackie did get back in her seat, she would have had to push JFK up, to get her seat back... JFK slumps over to Jackie's side. She IMO would almost certainly would have had to lift him up, in order to get her seat back, then she would have placed his head on her lap. Of course this is speculation on my part... He was forced to wear a brace based on his PT-109 days due to a really bad back.

It probably would explain also how Jackie COULD lift JFK to an erect position. I dont think it was as macabre as some are thinking, as I would think Jackie would have placed his head in her lap shortly after these few frames...

But if Connolly is remotely on the verge of passing out, I dont think he's getting his head much further than his wife's lap. and NOT wearing a backbrace, he would have been probably comfortable there, after having 3 bullet wounds tearing through him.


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