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Geof Nis (odd name) and others claim that the person we see in the last couple of Z-frames sitting upright in his seat is John Connally. thread: As a guest, you are not allowed to view links.
Register or LoginI doubted that and think it is JFK whose dead body was pushed up by Jackie after she climbed back into the car. After I looked closer at the Z film, the MPI medium zoomed version, I am not so sure anymore. It looks as if it is indeed Connally. I have stabilized the Z frames starting with Z-221, that is when Connally is first visible after the limo reappeared from behind the roadsign. The focus is on Connally's face. His face is always in the center of the video frame (not of the Z-film). The "anchor" so to say is Connally's head/face. You can check it by placing your mouse cursor over his head and leave it there, the cursor is always on his head. Since a GIF animation is way to large I put together a video an uploaded it to YouTube. I am still undecided, I think it is possible that after we lose Connally for a couple of frames when he disappears behind the Turnpike roadsign he was going down in his seat completely and JFK was pushed up by Jackie by then. Here is the Video: <![CDATA[As a guest, you are not allowed to view links.
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January 10, 2012, 05:37:23 PM
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I have to believe that it was Connolly who was still able to move. The president is obviously dead at this point and I don't think Jackie would have the strength to move a lifeless body. But...I could be wrong. Wes
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January 10, 2012, 05:51:23 PM
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I have to believe that it was Connolly who was still able to move. The president is obviously dead at this point and I don't think Jackie would have the strength to move a lifeless body. But...I could be wrong. Wes
Thanks Wes, Connally was obviously moving around in his seat long after he was shot, the film shows it imo pretty clear. I can see his head till he disappeares behind the Turnpike sign. I also believe that Jackie would rather cover JFK's body and not push him back up. But that is just my opinion. I have added a poll.
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January 10, 2012, 06:17:56 PM
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I'm not voting, I can't tell which one it is.
Wes, my guess would be that Jackie was pumped full of adrenaline, in a near panic state, and I don't think she would have much trouble pushing him up. Right about then she probably could have thrown him right out of the car, is my guess.
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January 10, 2012, 06:29:20 PM
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 Looks like JFK to me... Mr. LIEBELER - He was hit again after he got hit in the head? Mr. HUDSON - Yes, sir. Mr. LIEBELER - Do you think that could have been possible when Mrs. Kennedy pulled him over, do you think he could have got hit in the neck after he had been hit in the head? Mr. HUDSON - Yes sir; I do Mr. LIEBELER - He was still sitting far enough up in the car he could have been hit?
Mr. HUDSON - Yes, sir.
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January 10, 2012, 10:16:38 PM
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Gerda,
I'm not voting either, however will post this.. My gut feel, initial reaction when I first saw these frames (before joining forum) was JFK. The profile in many ways oddly looks just too perfect on Z456. I've revisited Z374,Z394 and looked at Z444/Z445. Just, so I understand your dilemma/change of mind ? (maybe like myself). I assume you are indicating that the person is in the middle right seat then ? (ie we have not got 3 persons in/on the rear seat). As an aside, does Clint Hill make a 180 degree turn and look back after Z432 or am I losing it !
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January 11, 2012, 08:48:13 AM
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I voted. When i saw a songle frame, it looked like jfk, even the right arm seems to be in position like at the beginning on elm street.
But it is dangerous to judge with one frame. Remember that some people saw a plot by judging one frame of Bin Laden Video, or some people do this with the ApolloTV feeds.
When Jackie was on the trunk, JFK was probably entierly lying on the seat, Jackie should have dig under the body to make him raise again. Possible but .... the biggest probability is John Connally continuing to look around.
About photo interpretation, at this level of perspective, even a 3d model cannot help.
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January 11, 2012, 04:32:21 PM
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I voted. When i saw a songle frame, it looked like jfk, even the right arm seems to be in position like at the beginning on elm street.
But it is dangerous to judge with one frame. Remember that some people saw a plot by judging one frame of Bin Laden Video, or some people do this with the ApolloTV feeds.
When Jackie was on the trunk, JFK was probably entierly lying on the seat, Jackie should have dig under the body to make him raise again. Possible but .... the biggest probability is John Connally continuing to look around.
About photo interpretation, at this level of perspective, even a 3d model cannot help.
I agree, it appears as if the person's arm rests on the door.
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January 11, 2012, 04:49:16 PM
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so i will test the 3d model on it. Connally had not this arm position on elm street, it look more like a JFK arm position.
I should not say that but ... That's a base for another CT story. JFK simulated head explosion with tomato soup (TUM gave a signal, Greer spreaded the soup) , his body was exchanged on the way to Parkland. At 486, he was tired playing comedy and raised. Babooshka came from the future and used a kind of raygun for having a 4d Scanning of the events. Oswald tried to save Kennedy by shooting on the grassy knoll shooter, but the Magic bullet shot by GK Killer entered by connally's Wrist and went out to jfk's neck.
This subject is very exciting and fun.
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January 11, 2012, 06:00:08 PM
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so i will test the 3d model on it. Connally had not this arm position on elm street, it look more like a JFK arm position.
I should not say that but ... That's a base for another CT story. JFK simulated head explosion with tomato soup (TUM gave a signal, Greer spreaded the soup) , his body was exchanged on the way to Parkland. At 486, he was tired playing comedy and raised. Babooshka came from the future and used a kind of raygun for having a 4d Scanning of the events. Oswald tried to save Kennedy by shooting on the grassy knoll shooter, but the Magic bullet shot by GK Killer entered by connally's Wrist and went out to jfk's neck.
This subject is very exciting and fun.
Thierry, If you can and if you find the time, could you re-create the limo position from MPI Z-frame 452 from Z's camera position. This is the frame i need re-created in your 3D model.  just place the passengers in normal sitting positions. As if nothing had happened, could you do that ?
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January 11, 2012, 07:17:54 PM
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yes, with pleasure
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