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 January 09, 2012, 10:57:02 PM
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There was an HSCA staff report from two investigators that someone was impersonating Oswald in telephone calls and visits to the Soviet and Cuban diplomatic compounds. After the assassination Hoover told Johnson that they have a tape and a photograph of the man who was at the Soviet Embassy using Oswald's name. The picture and tape do not correspond to Oswald's voice or appearence.
Why in the world would anybody impersonate some lone nut loser?
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January 09, 2012, 11:32:59 PM
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There was an HSCA staff report from two investigators that someone was impersonating Oswald in telephone calls and visits to the Soviet and Cuban diplomatic compounds. After the assassination Hoover told Johnson that they have a tape and a photograph of the man who was at the Soviet Embassy using Oswald's name. The picture and tape do not correspond to Oswald's voice or appearence.
Why in the world would anybody impersonate some lone nut loser?
Dorothy don't pay any attention to that man behind the curtain.
The thinking at the time was that an imposter played the role of Oswald so that the imitation would be recognized and cause the embassy officials to distrust Oswald. Herbert
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January 09, 2012, 11:33:38 PM
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Because of his background. Defector, Marxist. The question is, who was using his identity?
The 2 obvious choices are the Russians, or our own, US intelligence. In short, I think it was our own, because for the Russians to use it is extremely risky. To use an identity of an American who was in America. They would know, without any doubts, that Oswald was a name being watched by both countries.
Why would Russia send an imposter to their own embassy? That makes no sense.
But if you consider American intelligence using his identity, things become more plausible. I am still puzzled why our own FBI and government would release the photos of the imposter at all, unless they did it to hide in plain sight so to speak. To divert attention away from themselves, or maybe they wanted to release the info believing that the Russians, or the Cubans, were about to. By releasing the info themselves, there is an obvious diversion of attention away from the source. Obviously the FBI was being fed info by the CIA on this matter, which itself should tell us all an obvious fact or 2 about who was at least watching Oswald.
Its one of the most interesting aspects of the whole story.
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January 09, 2012, 11:48:00 PM
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"JFK AND THE UNSPEAKABLE
Why He Died And Why It Matters"By James W. Douglas p.177 -snip- "On October 9, 1963, one week before Lee Harvey Oswald began his job at a site overlooking the president's future parade route,
an FBI official in Washington, D.C., disconnected Oswald from a federal alarm system that was about to identify him as a threat to
national security. The FBI man's name was Marvin Gheesling. He was a supervisor in the Soviet espionage section at FBI headquarters.
His timing was remarkable. As author John Newman remarked in an analysis of this phenomenon, Gheesling "turned off the alarm switch
on Oswald literally an instant before it would have gone off."You have to wonder why the federal alarm system for Oswald was turned off, and why when the FBI started recieving the following reports it wasn't turned back on?It's reported LHO meets with VALERIY VLADIMIRIVICH KOSTIKOV, a Russian Spy in charge of assassinations
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January 10, 2012, 12:27:57 AM
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"JFK AND THE UNSPEAKABLE
Why He Died And Why It Matters"By James W. Douglas p.177 -snip- "On October 9, 1963, one week before Lee Harvey Oswald began his job at a site overlooking the president's future parade route,
an FBI official in Washington, D.C., disconnected Oswald from a federal alarm system that was about to identify him as a threat to
national security. The FBI man's name was Marvin Gheesling. He was a supervisor in the Soviet espionage section at FBI headquarters.
His timing was remarkable. As author John Newman remarked in an analysis of this phenomenon, Gheesling "turned off the alarm switch
on Oswald literally an instant before it would have gone off."You have to wonder why the federal alarm system for Oswald was turned off, and why when the FBI started recieving the following reports it wasn't turned back on?It's reported LHO meets with VALERIY VLADIMIRIVICH KOSTIKOV, a Russian Spy in charge of assassinations
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Register or Login You only have to think a short time to understand a legend was being created for Oswald the 112th military intel were aware of Oswald it was here that the appearance of the Hidell name was put up as an alias and not as a seperate person. Although Oswald was searched including wallet in NO. it would have included the fake service card(photo)which was returned to him .Makes you wonder why?.
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January 10, 2012, 12:30:01 AM
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Hey there Gary, I've read a few things that suggest that even the Kostikov reference was made up in the original CIA cable... that a leader of KGB assassiation work would NEVER be at an embassy like that... or meet with the likes of Oswald to begin with... Second, the CIA has transcripts, tapes and photos of this man... and STILL claim to ONI, State and FBI that it was Oswald... The CIA, Joe, created this impression as they were still trying to get their war with Cuba.... What this ultimately shows is the "sheep dipping" going on to continually paint Oswald as pro-Communist Castro, while at the same time working on the opposite side of the fence with his infultration of the FPCC. and please try to remember Joe, the LONE NUT designation was AFTER the COMMIE angle was not satisfactory for LBJ... there was to be NO CONSPIRACY TALK allowed... so Hoover changed the FBI report to focus on Oswald the Lone Nut... Peter Dale Scott reviews this 1st phase/2nd phase operation... the CIA was hell bent of showing Oswald was a Castro loving Commie who killed JFK - now GO GET 'EM... So you see, the CIA basically forced the cover-up or risk an encounter with the Russians and the possibility of more info on this Cuban Conspiracy coming out... which would implicate many more than just Oswald.. the entire Latin American approach by the USA was "rape and pillage"... until Viet Nam shows up and the CIA is now able to run their own small country complete with a sales avenue for military hardware and the largest cache of Heroin in the world... which, if you know your history, was used with the help of the DEA to replace the French Connection heroin in the US and around the world... The CIA and US government are some of the largest, if not THE largest, drug overlords in the world... we're the dominant superpower in the world, you really think that billions in the drug trade would not make their way to the US Rich and powerful and that the US CIA does not have its fingers in everybody else's pie?    "JFK AND THE UNSPEAKABLE
Why He Died And Why It Matters"By James W. Douglas p.177 -snip- "On October 9, 1963, one week before Lee Harvey Oswald began his job at a site overlooking the president's future parade route,
an FBI official in Washington, D.C., disconnected Oswald from a federal alarm system that was about to identify him as a threat to
national security. The FBI man's name was Marvin Gheesling. He was a supervisor in the Soviet espionage section at FBI headquarters.
His timing was remarkable. As author John Newman remarked in an analysis of this phenomenon, Gheesling "turned off the alarm switch
on Oswald literally an instant before it would have gone off."You have to wonder why the federal alarm system for Oswald was turned off, and why when the FBI started recieving the following reports it wasn't turned back on?It's reported LHO meets with VALERIY VLADIMIRIVICH KOSTIKOV, a Russian Spy in charge of assassinations
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January 10, 2012, 02:59:35 AM
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Still waiting for someone like Paul May or Richard Smith to comment.
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January 10, 2012, 03:57:28 AM
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Still waiting for someone like Paul May or Richard Smith to comment.
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January 10, 2012, 04:26:34 AM
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Still waiting for someone like Paul May or Richard Smith to comment.
Hmmm....How about Bill Brown? Will he do? As a guest, you are not allowed to view links.
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When the CIA erroneously released photos taken at the Soviet embassy in Mexico City that was obviously not Oswald, it was seized upon as evidence of an Oswald impersonator. Yet, now there is direct evidence from three Soviet embassy employees (including the infamous Kostikov) that Oswald was indeed at the embassy.
Peter Dale Scott, one of the more respected critics, spent time with Nechiporenko (one of the employees) and came away impressed with his story. Paul Hoch feels that "the impostor hypothesis gets more attention than other aspects of the Mexico puzzle for non-evidentiary reasons, that is, as historical baggage which we picked up when we had much less information." As time passed, it became very unlikely that this man was an Oswald impostor. For one thing, he was photographed again when Oswald was supposed to be in the U.S., and he does not fit the description given by Sylvia Duran, now the leading impostor witness. In other words, if we first came to the Mexican evidence now, we might not find an impostor such an appealing explanation of the confusion.
Of course, CTers still refer to the photos originally supplied by the CIA. Groden prints the pictures and writes that "The CIA was aware of at least one impostor using the name Lee Harvey Oswald. The photographs of the same man, posing as Oswald, were taken by the CIA on two separate occasions at the Cuban and Soviet embassies." A CIA mistake is thus transformed into a CIA "conclusion" that Lee Harvey Oswald was being impersonated.
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January 10, 2012, 04:44:18 AM
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Actually it was a report by HSCA investigators Hardaway and Lopez. I'm sure Hoover was also mistaken.
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January 10, 2012, 04:49:34 AM
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The CIA phone tap logs who they claim was Oswald calling the Cuban Consolate speaking in broken Russian. Oswald was fluent in Russian.
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January 10, 2012, 05:41:15 AM
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I would like to see the best of the of the Oswald Imposter photo's age to what he would look like today.
Has has this been done already ?
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