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In the mid-1950's, Lee Harvey Oswald had spoken about shooting an American President.
Palmer McBride had testified to the Warren Commission that, in 1956, he befriended Oswald and they often discussed politics.
McBride said that one central theme was the "Exploitation of the Working Class" and on one occasion, after they began discussing President Eisenhower, Oswald made a statement to the effect that he would like to kill the president because he was exploiting the working class.
McBride said that the statement was not made in jest.
To me, if Oswald had the opportunity to assassinate President Eisenhower, he would have.
He was a loner who did not like working with nor taking orders from others.
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January 06, 2012, 10:25:08 PM
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In the mid-1950's, Lee Harvey Oswald had spoken about shooting an American President.
Palmer McBride had testified to the Warren Commission that, in 1956, he befriended Oswald and they often discussed politics.
McBride said that one central theme was the "Exploitation of the Working Class" and on one occasion, after they began discussing President Eisenhower, Oswald made a statement to the effect that he would like to kill the president because he was exploiting the working class.
McBride said that the statement was not made in jest.
To me, if Oswald had the opportunity to assassinate President Eisenhower, he would have.
He was a loner who did not like working with nor taking orders from others.
Any thoughts?
I agree with you 100%. But it apparently didn't have to be a president. Gen. Walker, or the Vice President would do. Anyone or anything to get attention. LHO was desperate for attention. A guy who hands out pro cuban leaflets in New Orleans in 1963 is seeking attention.
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January 06, 2012, 10:28:45 PM
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Any thoughts? Yes. The guy was a killer and a loser who got exactly what he deserved. 
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January 06, 2012, 11:07:53 PM
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In the mid-1950's, Lee Harvey Oswald had spoken about shooting an American President.
Palmer McBride had testified to the Warren Commission that, in 1956, he befriended Oswald and they often discussed politics.
McBride said that one central theme was the "Exploitation of the Working Class" and on one occasion, after they began discussing President Eisenhower, Oswald made a statement to the effect that he would like to kill the president because he was exploiting the working class.
McBride said that the statement was not made in jest.
To me, if Oswald had the opportunity to assassinate President Eisenhower, he would have.
He was a loner who did not like working with nor taking orders from others.
Any thoughts?
If Johnson had won the 1960 election, he would have been the victim . . . . . . if Oswald was given an opportunity to kill with "some" chance of escape? Lee Harvey Oswald was not a suicide-shooter. Jack Ruby was!!!
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January 06, 2012, 11:41:51 PM
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In the mid-1950's, Lee Harvey Oswald had spoken about shooting an American President.
Palmer McBride had testified to the Warren Commission that, in 1956, he befriended Oswald and they often discussed politics.
McBride said that one central theme was the "Exploitation of the Working Class" and on one occasion, after they began discussing President Eisenhower, Oswald made a statement to the effect that he would like to kill the president because he was exploiting the working class.
McBride said that the statement was not made in jest.
To me, if Oswald had the opportunity to assassinate President Eisenhower, he would have.
He was a loner who did not like working with nor taking orders from others.
Any thoughts?
Hi Greg, Oswald was a very different person in 56 than he was in 63. In 56 Oswald wasnt anywhere near desperate enough to commit murder. In 56 Oswald was a young man full of confidence and optimism. He knew he was above average intelligence, the world was his oyster and he had every reason to believe that one day he would become someone special. By 63 things had changed dramatically. Oswald had fulfilled his ambition to emigrate to the USSR and had found out the hard way that life in Russia was not as great as he had expected. Oswald had become completely disenchanted with the Russian form of communism. Back home in the US Oswald had managed to grab 15 min of fame within the FPCC, Oswald loved the attention from those radio interviews, was he finally getting the recognising he deserved? No, not at all, his "fame" had already fizzled out and had led to nothing. Oswald was working in a low paid job that was far beneath his intellect and capabilities and to make matters worse Oswald had to act humbly grateful for the opportunity of doing so. Oswald was getting angry, his lack of achievement wasn't his fault, it was the fault of the corrupt American system which exploited and deliberately kept down the working class. This was Oswald's mind-set by 63, a very bitter and twisted man. There was still one way out, if he could just get to Cuba he could make things work. The Castro government would dearly welcome an American defector with open arms. But how to get there? Oswald had tried everything and it just wasn't going to happen. Oswald was beaten! Doomed to a completely useless existence, a dead-end job that wouldn't even allow him to support his own family, he couldn't even buy shoes for his own child or a coat for his wife. Now even his marriage was fallen apart, Marina had made it clear she was sick and tired of his crazy dreams. Marina had had enough, she was going to leave him. Someone was going to pay for this, someone was going to suffer, big time. Oswald determined to try one last time to patch his marriage up, if that didn't work what did he have to lose? Oswald was going to make sure everyone knew his name, he was going to earn his place in history the only way left open to him..with a rifle. All the above is, of course, pure speculation on my part. So the CT crowd needn't bother to demand I cite and prove any of the above, I can't. But there should be more than cold facts and hard evidence on a forum like this. IMO there's nothing wrong in occasionally exchanging thoughts and beliefs. It might even make the forum a fun place to visit again.
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January 06, 2012, 11:53:39 PM
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Hi Greg, Oswald was a very different person in 56 than he was in 63. In 56 Oswald wasnt anywhere near desperate enough to commit murder. In 56 Oswald was a young man full of confidence and optimism. He knew he was above average intelligence, the world was his oyster and he had every reason to believe that one day he would become someone special. By 63 things had changed dramatically. Oswald had fulfilled his ambition to emigrate to the USSR and had found out the hard way that life in Russia was not as great as he had expected. Oswald had become completely disenchanted with the Russian form of communism. Back home in the US Oswald had managed to grab 15 min of fame within the FPCC, Oswald loved the attention from those radio interviews, was he finally getting the recognising he deserved? No, not at all, his "fame" had already fizzled out and had led to nothing. Oswald was working in a low paid job that was far beneath his intellect and capabilities and to make matters worse Oswald had to act humbly grateful for the opportunity of doing so. Oswald was getting angry, his lack of achievement wasn't his fault, it was the fault of the corrupt American system which exploited and deliberately kept down the working class. This was Oswald's mind-set by 63, a very bitter and twisted man. There was still one way out, if he could just get to Cuba he could make things work. The Castro government would dearly welcome an American defector with open arms. But how to get there? Oswald had tried everything and it just wasn't going to happen. Oswald was beaten! Doomed to a completely useless existence, a dead-end job that wouldn't even allow him to support his own family, he couldn't even buy shoes for his own child or a coat for his wife. Now even his marriage was fallen apart, Marina had made it clear she was sick and tired of his crazy dreams. Marina had had enough, she was going to leave him. Someone was going to pay for this, someone was going to suffer, big time. Oswald determined to try one last time to patch his marriage up, if that didn't work what did he have to lose? Oswald was going to make sure everyone knew his name, he was going to earn his place in history the only way left open to him..with a rifle.
All the above is, of course, pure speculation on my part. So the CT crowd needn't bother to demand I cite and prove any of the above, I can't. But there should be more than cold facts and hard evidence on a forum like this. IMO there's nothing wrong in occasionally exchanging thoughts and beliefs. It might even make the forum a fun place to visit again.
Well put! You forgot how disappointed LHO was when he returned from the USSR and no reporters or interest in his story. He had his speech all written and nobody cares!
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January 07, 2012, 12:07:08 AM
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Well put! You forgot how disappointed LHO was when he returned from the USSR and no reporters or interest in his story. He had his speech all written and nobody cares!
No Ron, I didn't forget mate, but if I had written down all the reasons which I believe turned Oswald into a cold bloody killer than I would have been writing all night. Please feel free to add some more. It's what a forum like this should do, encourage the exchange of thought and discussion, because I'm sure as hell getting tired of all the bitchy name calling and insults going on here.
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January 07, 2012, 01:27:05 AM
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In the mid-1950's, Lee Harvey Oswald had spoken about shooting an American President.
Palmer McBride had testified to the Warren Commission that, in 1956, he befriended Oswald and they often discussed politics.
McBride said that one central theme was the "Exploitation of the Working Class" and on one occasion, after they began discussing President Eisenhower, Oswald made a statement to the effect that he would like to kill the president because he was exploiting the working class.
McBride said that the statement was not made in jest.
To me, if Oswald had the opportunity to assassinate President Eisenhower, he would have.
He was a loner who did not like working with nor taking orders from others.
Any thoughts?
Yeah, I don't think that ever happened.
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January 07, 2012, 01:29:16 AM
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If Johnson had won the 1960 election, he would have been the victim . . .
. . . if Oswald was given an opportunity to kill with "some" chance of escape?
Lee Harvey Oswald was not a suicide-shooter.
Jack Ruby was!!!
In fact some people believe in the Zero Factor that every President who is elected in a year ending in zero dies in office. I think Jean Dixon predicted that Nixon would be assassinated. I thought that Gore would be assassinated.
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January 07, 2012, 02:58:16 AM
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Hi Greg, Oswald was a very different person in 56 than he was in 63. In 56 Oswald wasnt anywhere near desperate enough to commit murder. In 56 Oswald was a young man full of confidence and optimism. He knew he was above average intelligence, the world was his oyster and he had every reason to believe that one day he would become someone special. By 63 things had changed dramatically. Oswald had fulfilled his ambition to emigrate to the USSR and had found out the hard way that life in Russia was not as great as he had expected. Oswald had become completely disenchanted with the Russian form of communism. Back home in the US Oswald had managed to grab 15 min of fame within the FPCC, Oswald loved the attention from those radio interviews, was he finally getting the recognising he deserved? No, not at all, his "fame" had already fizzled out and had led to nothing. Oswald was working in a low paid job that was far beneath his intellect and capabilities and to make matters worse Oswald had to act humbly grateful for the opportunity of doing so. Oswald was getting angry, his lack of achievement wasn't his fault, it was the fault of the corrupt American system which exploited and deliberately kept down the working class. This was Oswald's mind-set by 63, a very bitter and twisted man. There was still one way out, if he could just get to Cuba he could make things work. The Castro government would dearly welcome an American defector with open arms. But how to get there? Oswald had tried everything and it just wasn't going to happen. Oswald was beaten! Doomed to a completely useless existence, a dead-end job that wouldn't even allow him to support his own family, he couldn't even buy shoes for his own child or a coat for his wife. Now even his marriage was fallen apart, Marina had made it clear she was sick and tired of his crazy dreams. Marina had had enough, she was going to leave him. Someone was going to pay for this, someone was going to suffer, big time. Oswald determined to try one last time to patch his marriage up, if that didn't work what did he have to lose? Oswald was going to make sure everyone knew his name, he was going to earn his place in history the only way left open to him..with a rifle.
All the above is, of course, pure speculation on my part. So the CT crowd needn't bother to demand I cite and prove any of the above, I can't. But there should be more than cold facts and hard evidence on a forum like this. IMO there's nothing wrong in occasionally exchanging thoughts and beliefs. It might even make the forum a fun place to visit again.
Just like Ron Smith, I would have to say "Well Put" also. Denis, You really did a good job expressing yourself. I would like to exchange some of my thoughts with you, as well. I believe that Ruth Paine and her neighbors helped Oswald to find the job at the Depository, where he started work on October 16. That on Fridays, (but not all Fridays), he would ride with Buell Frazier to visit Marina for the weekend. But on THURSDAY, November 21, he asked Frazier for a ride to Irving to see Marina. WHY not wait for Friday so he could once again visit Marina for the weekend, like he usually did? Actually, this is a rhetorical question. He broke from his routine schedule by asking Frazier for a ride on Thursday. WHY did Oswald leave 170 dollars on the dresser and his wedding ring in a cup on Friday morning before going to work? After pleading with Marina to give him another chance on Thursday night, to ask her and his two girls to move with him to Dallas on Friday, and being told NO, his options had run out. He had the opportunity to shoot at the president of the United States and succeeded in killing him. THERE WAS NO CONSPIRACY! He, being a loner all his life, acted alone.
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January 07, 2012, 02:13:24 PM
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It's what a forum like this should do, encourage the exchange of thought and discussion, because I'm sure as hell getting tired of all the bitchy name calling and insults going on here.
As soon as i start bitchin at someone here i get plenty reactions But when i'm exchanging my a** off here on my thoughts of how upstanding and nice your leaders were in those days i get ignored, i wonder why Dennis 
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