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 January 05, 2012, 04:02:48 PM
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THE WARREN COMISSION
The comission came into exhistance with President L.BJohnson's executive order 11130 as the Presidents comission ivestigation on the assaination of President J.F.Kennedy.
It was put together by President Johnson along with input from J.Edgar Hoover.
The members were:-
Earl Warren-Supreme court chief justice(he didn't want the job but was virtually conscripted by President Johnson)
Alan Dulles-Former head of the CIA-Removed from his position by President JFK
Richard Russell-Senator for Georgia(he despised Warren because of his liberal views and again was virtually conscripted by President Johnson)
John Sherman-Senator for Kentucky
Gerald Ford-House representative for Mitchigan(member of skull and bones)
Hal Boggs-House representative for Louisiana
John j.Mcloy-Former head of the World Bank
The comission appointed J.Lee Rankine as head of an investigative team of 16 lawyers including Arlen Spector
What did they have to work with ? A five volume report from the FBI.
The comission themselves having studied it claimed it was narrow minded,claiming 3 shots from Oswald and a rush to judgement. It didn't even mention that Governor George Conally had been shot. The FBI were almost hostile to the comission and they knew that J.Edgar Hoover who they were terrified of would take any review of his organisations work personally.
Rumours abounded at the time that Oswald was an FBI informant. Alan Dulles told the rest of the comission that it wasn't worth investigating as very likely they would not be told the truth.The comission were totally reliant on the FBI files because it was all they had to work with.
tHThe comission knew that Oswald had been interviewed 2or3 times by the FBI on his return from Russia and did know that Oswald when he was arrested for a disturbance for handing out leaflets for the fair play for Cuba movement had from his Police cell requested a meeting with an FBI official. Due to fear of Hoover this was not investigated. This is unfortunate in that it may well have lead to Bannister,Shaw,Ferrie etc.
The comission also were never informed about CIA covert operations against Cuba such as operation mongoose or relevant information regarded the co-opting of the mob to dispose of Fidel Castro. Alan Dulles never informed his fellow comission members even though he had been in charge of these operations from 1959-61 and that Castro knew of these attempts to assasinate him.Infact the CIA co-operated as little as possible with the comission. They also knew nothing of President JFK's executive order 11110 either and the printing of real American dollars taking away the Federal reserves power.
People may claim this was irrelevant but it was not in a proper investigation as they would have had access to the wider picture of what was happening in the background leading up to Dallas.
The situation with Jack Ruby was almost and understandably treated as a side issue,however the comission had information and telephone records that if they had been investigated thoroughly would have shown links to Oswald,Bannister,Ferrie and telphone calls with Carlos Marcello.
Then there's the testimony of Silvia Odiho regarding a visit to here apartment from two Cubans using code names and a Leon Oswald. She recognised Oswald from that meeting immediately in the aftermath of the assaination. J.Edgar found 2 Cubans who testified it was them but not Oswald and that was included in history in the Warren Report. These Cubans admitted it was not true and thet made it up but as the Report was already in print nothing was changed. So a lie was include there with no further investigations.
Now at its final summary the comission had a problem,Earl Warren and 3 other members adhered to the single bullet theory as proposed by junior investigator Arlen Spector, however 3 did not,the most vociferous decenter was Senator Richard Russell who wanted his objections noted in the final report. At the final conference on 18th September 1964 Warren refused Russell's request but a compromise with the wording was eventually agreed upon. The summary transcript at this final meeting should have stated all these facts but for some strange reason none of this was noted in the final transcript.
In conclusion they probably did the best they could in the circumstancies however IF YOU BASE YOUR FACTS ON THE WARREN COMISSION I WOULD SUGGEST IT IS A VERY MINDED VIEW AS IS THE REPORT. BASICALLY THE WARREN COMISSION REPORT WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE CONSTRAINTS IT HAD TO OPERATE IN IS ABOUT AS MUCH USE AS A CHOCOLATE TEA POT.
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January 05, 2012, 04:47:32 PM
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THE WARREN COMISSION
The comission came into exhistance with President L.BJohnson's executive order 11130 as the Presidents comission ivestigation on the assaination of President J.F.Kennedy.
It was put together by President Johnson along with input from J.Edgar Hoover.
The members were:-
Earl Warren-Supreme court chief justice(he didn't want the job but was virtually conscripted by President Johnson)
Alan Dulles-Former head of the CIA-Removed from his position by President JFK
Richard Russell-Senator for Georgia(he despised Warren because of his liberal views and again was virtually conscripted by President Johnson)
John Sherman-Senator for Kentucky
Gerald Ford-House representative for Mitchigan(member of skull and bones)
Hal Boggs-House representative for Louisiana
John j.Mcloy-Former head of the World Bank
The comission appointed J.Lee Rankine as head of an investigative team of 16 lawyers including Arlen Spector
What did they have to work with ? A five volume report from the FBI.
The comission themselves having studied it claimed it was narrow minded,claiming 3 shots from Oswald and a rush to judgement. It didn't even mention that Governor George Conally had been shot. The FBI were almost hostile to the comission and they knew that J.Edgar Hoover who they were terrified of would take any review of his organisations work personally.
Rumours abounded at the time that Oswald was an FBI informant. Alan Dulles told the rest of the comission that it wasn't worth investigating as very likely they would not be told the truth.The comission were totally reliant on the FBI files because it was all they had to work with.
tHThe comission knew that Oswald had been interviewed 2or3 times by the FBI on his return from Russia and did know that Oswald when he was arrested for a disturbance for handing out leaflets for the fair play for Cuba movement had from his Police cell requested a meeting with an FBI official. Due to fear of Hoover this was not investigated. This is unfortunate in that it may well have lead to Bannister,Shaw,Ferrie etc.
The comission also were never informed about CIA covert operations against Cuba such as operation mongoose or relevant information regarded the co-opting of the mob to dispose of Fidel Castro. Alan Dulles never informed his fellow comission members even though he had been in charge of these operations from 1959-61 and that Castro knew of these attempts to assasinate him.Infact the CIA co-operated as little as possible with the comission. They also knew nothing of President JFK's executive order 11110 either and the printing of real American dollars taking away the Federal reserves power.
People may claim this was irrelevant but it was not in a proper investigation as they would have had access to the wider picture of what was happening in the background leading up to Dallas.
The situation with Jack Ruby was almost and understandably treated as a side issue,however the comission had information and telephone records that if they had been investigated thoroughly would have shown links to Oswald,Bannister,Ferrie and telphone calls with Carlos Marcello.
Then there's the testimony of Silvia Odiho regarding a visit to here apartment from two Cubans using code names and a Leon Oswald. She recognised Oswald from that meeting immediately in the aftermath of the assaination. J.Edgar found 2 Cubans who testified it was them but not Oswald and that was included in history in the Warren Report. These Cubans admitted it was not true and thet made it up but as the Report was already in print nothing was changed. So a lie was include there with no further investigations.
Now at its final summary the comission had a problem,Earl Warren and 3 other members adhered to the single bullet theory as proposed by junior investigator Arlen Spector, however 3 did not,the most vociferous decenter was Senator Richard Russell who wanted his objections noted in the final report. At the final conference on 18th September 1964 Warren refused Russell's request but a compromise with the wording was eventually agreed upon. The summary transcript at this final meeting should have stated all these facts but for some strange reason none of this was noted in the final transcript.
In conclusion they probably did the best they could in the circumstancies however IF YOU BASE YOUR FACTS ON THE WARREN COMISSION I WOULD SUGGEST IT IS A VERY MINDED VIEW AS IS THE REPORT. BASICALLY THE WARREN COMISSION REPORT WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE CONSTRAINTS IT HAD TO OPERATE IN IS ABOUT AS MUCH USE AS A CHOCOLATE TEA POT.
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One of the first things we found out was that the Warren Commission never pursued a conspiracy investigation.
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January 06, 2012, 02:43:12 AM
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THE WHAT EVER COMISSION 
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"We don't have any proof that Oswald fired the rifle, and never did. Nobody's yet been able to put him in the building (Texas School Book Depository) with a gun in his hand."
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January 06, 2012, 04:03:53 AM
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Who was George Connally?
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"you're the cop, you figure it out"
-Lee H. Oswald to Dallas Police detectives, weekend
of 11-22-63.
"Part of the reason why we avoided talking about this thing, because every time you say something, somebody misinterprets what you say."
-James. J. Humes, excerpt of ARRB statement, 2-13-96
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January 06, 2012, 11:16:07 AM
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Sorry that should read John !!! although George,bill,Fred or anything else would do for the FBI files who didn't record he had been shot. There are a few typing errors which i apologise for .The reason being that the 1st time i wrote the article and i went to correct any spelling errors that the whole article disappeared and i lost the complete article which i didn't want to happen again !!!
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January 06, 2012, 11:19:07 AM
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Sorry that should read John !!! although George,bill,Fred or anything else would do for the FBI files who didn't record he had been shot. There are a few typing errors which i apologise for .The reason being that the 1st time i wrote the article and i went to correct any spelling errors that the whole article disappeared and i lost the complete article which i didn't want to happen again !!!
No matter what Mark, they will always find something to bitch about.....
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January 06, 2012, 01:52:27 PM
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Cheers Paul, i notice no lone nutter comments. not suprising really as the Warren Omission is the backbone to their argument. It amazes me that people fail/refuse to see the Omission was set up to prove the official story and not investigate thoroughly. If they had i probably would not be replying to you now.
Keep up the good work mate i'm enjoying it !
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January 07, 2012, 10:31:09 PM
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Cheers Paul, i notice no lone nutter comments. not suprising really as the Warren Omission is the backbone to their argument. It amazes me that people fail/refuse to see the Omission was set up to prove the official story and not investigate thoroughly. If they had i probably would not be replying to you now.
Keep up the good work mate i'm enjoying it !
As a lone nutter, I will respond to you Mark. If it was an open and shut case, as it should be in that Oswald acted alone, then WHY was Chief Justice Warren hesitant and reluctant to head the commission? Why was he in tears after his meeting with President Johnson? I know that I am a lone nutter, but this does raise speculation. Also, WHY did Senator Russell of Georgia want to put in writing, on the report, that he was not fully supportive of the official findings? Also, if Oswald acted alone, there should be NO files hidden and kept from the American people on the basis of National Security. It has been a little over 48 years since the assassination. I feel we can handle the truth and we want the truth ... once and for all! Although I am a lone nutter, I do want to discuss these things in a civil debate. Thank you.
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January 07, 2012, 10:48:18 PM
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As a lone nutter, I will respond to you Mark.
If it was an open and shut case, as it should be in that Oswald acted alone, then WHY was Chief Justice Warren hesitant and reluctant to head the commission? Why was he in tears after his meeting with President Johnson?
I know that I am a lone nutter, but this does raise speculation.
Also, WHY did Senator Russell of Georgia want to put in writing, on the report, that he was not fully supportive of the official findings?
Also, if Oswald acted alone, there should be NO files hidden and kept from the American people on the basis of National Security.
It has been a little over 48 years since the assassination. I feel we can handle the truth and we want the truth ... once and for all!
Although I am a lone nutter, I do want to discuss these things in a civil debate.
Thank you.
Are you saying that warren knew before the investigation that Oswald there was a conspiracy? How would he know that before the investigation? I don't see what this has to do with it being an open and shut case. Did Russell ever give one scrap of proof or evidence that there was a conspiracy? If he did lets see it. I know he disagreed with teams of pathologists on some of the medical evidence. That doesn't change the fact that it was an open and shut case. Any open and shut case can be questioned, but unless Russell has something who cares. is their anything in the files that disagrees with the fact that Oswald did it alone? If you don't know why are you acting like there is if you haven't seen whats in them? can you tell us the reasons some of the files are still closed? If you can't give us the reasons, then how can you questionthe fact that they are closed?
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What is silly is thinking that two turns that reduced the speed of the car to 8-11 m.p.h. is no big deal when motorcades are suppose to keep a 44 m.p.h. speed..R Caprio
LHO had poor hand-eye coordination and proof of this is seen in the fact he couldn't drive an automobile-- R Caprio
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January 08, 2012, 12:15:07 AM
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The Warren Commission's conclusions were correct.
-- Oswald "alone" kill President Kennedy.
-- Oswald killed Officer JD Tippit.
-- Jack Ruby killed Lee Harvey Oswald for his own demented reasons.
Why blame the Commission, when the evidence for Oswald's guilt was gathered by the Dallas Police acting spontaneously to a crime in their jurisdiction? By all means blame the DPD. List the supposed "criminal acts" perpetrated by various police officers on 22 November 1963.
Instead of attacking a big, vague impersonal entity like the Warren Commission, take aim at the cops. Clearly state the reasons why the evidence that shows Oswald to be the assassin was fabricated by ordinary police officers. Libel the ones who are dead and then race down to Texas and make some citizen's arrests. Why don't you?
You left out the last part of the fairy tale. - and they lived happily ever after!
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January 08, 2012, 09:40:16 PM
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From what I understand, the WC came about because everyday there were numerous new rumours being circulated surrounding who was involved/responsible for the assassination. The panel members were coerced into doing the job by being promised it would be a 2 or 3 month job and a simple case of signing off on the report that was being put together by the FBI/CIA. Upon recieving the report, the panel members realised that they couldn't sign off on this report, because it was so poorly constructed. The panel decided that the report needed re-evalauating and to be re-written, and with so many apparent loose-ends even further investigation was required. Due to external pressures (they had to find LHO guilty and him being a lone assassin), and internal paranoia (atleast two board members were reporting back to both the FBI and CIA, even going so far as to coach FBI/CIA employees who may be called up to testify - valuble info. being purposefully with held etc.) the final report was seriously flawed in terms of a real investigation. Of course, this doesn't necessarily mean that there conclusions were wrong. This is a great video on the history of the report: <![CDATA[As a guest, you are not allowed to view links.
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