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The Parkland Doctor's claim JFK had a huge hole on the right rear of his head, but upon closer examination they were all mistaken or lying.  These people support a shot from the Grassy Knoll?  How can there be an exit wound on the right rear of JFK's head, a shot from the Grassy Knoll has to exit on the rear left side! The only possible sniper position to create this wound as described would have to be the triple overpass, and we know that was impossible. JFK went "back and to the left" but the bullet left a hole in the right rear, where does a bullet enter to achieve JFK's violent reaction and satisfy the hole placement???  BTW where is the brain matter on the trunk, all i can see is genuine 8mm film grain accurate to a microscopic level and impossible to "paint over", therefore there was NO frontal sniper!
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AdamB Black JohnM REDThe front not the right front, just the front. Second the head was driven to the back "NO" left, what we see when his head fell to the left was an uncontrollable and unconscious head following the law of physics falling to his left. If he just fell to the left then why does his right arm muscles contract suddenly and rise, simultaneously with his back and to the left, it's because it's a neurological reaction, his brain suddenly disappeared and the nerves just shot off, this is a proven fact! No, they are not, many witnesses changed their stories several times especially Jean Hill I don't get what you are trying to say, but nevermind, these eyewitnesses saw the front right side of JFK's head just come off, and that is what is in the Zapruder film. For goodness sake, the vehicle was removed and taken away, the windshield was replaced they did everything to make it look like the shot came from the rear, it was not from the rear. The windshield had no bullet hole! Whenever a bullet goes through glass it looks like this. And would be hella obvious in any photo. Yes watch this video and see what William Raymond say he saw in the real Zapruder film too many things missing including the stoppage of the limo and the bullet that struck the Stemmons freeway sign. The Stemmons Freeway sign was not hit, can you show me any photo's to prove your fabrication???here it is: The wind was a light wind of 25 mph if you look at the beginning limo was travelling at 11mph you can see JFK just before he was shot straightening his hair with his left hand to the right, which indicates that there was a small wind. The Beaufort scale is a simple number system to indicate wind speed. According to The Beaufort Scale, 25 mph is a "6" and they say that is a Strong breeze which will make large branches move. Whistling heard in overhead wires. Umbrella use becomes difficult. Empty plastic garbage cans tip over. So small particles can be expected to move with some speed and force, in the same direction as the women's dresses in the above pic. The video above will show you how much of the original Zapruder film is left and it also show you the testimony of William Raymond that the Limo did stop.The Zapruder Film is perfectly syncronised with Nix and Muchmore, you surely can't be serious that all or any of these films has been altered? And only 7 days later, Life Magazine printed many photo's from Zapruder and everything was a perfect match to what we see today, there is no jerky walking that would indicate missing frames, the foreground and background meld seamlessly, the sprocket hole and the ghost images from each previous frame exposed in this area prove that there is no missing frames and also proves it's authenticity!
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January 30, 2012, 12:01:17 PM
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AdamB Black JohnM REDThe front not the right front, just the front. Second the head was driven to the back "NO" left, what we see when his head fell to the left was an uncontrollable and unconscious head following the law of physics falling to his left. If he just fell to the left then why does his right arm muscles contract suddenly and rise, simultaneously with his back and to the left, it's because it's a neurological reaction, his brain suddenly disappeared and the nerves just shot off, this is a proven fact! what are you talking about here about his arm and his neurological reaction, JFK's head was leaning to his left after he suffered the first shot to the throat when hit by the bullet from the FRONT it drove the head back to its limit of course it will bounce back and fall to the left as he was still leaning against his wife to his left. No, they are not, many witnesses changed their stories several times especially Jean Hill I don't get what you are trying to say, but nevermind, these eyewitnesses saw the front right side of JFK's head just come off, and that is what is in the Zapruder film. Don't scratch too hard you might remove the scalp lol (just kidding) What I am trying to say note there's a comma, "They are not, " and then I said many of the witnesses changed their testimonies as the days, weeks months went by, because they got to them. For goodness sake, the vehicle was removed and taken away, the windshield was replaced they did everything to make it look like the shot came from the rear, it was not from the rear. The windshield had no bullet hole! Whenever a bullet goes through glass it looks like this. And would be hella obvious in any photo. Well let me tell you another story, if they faked the autopsy images do you think this is a genuine picture of the limo? give me a break please. I promise you, only the WC supporters claim the shot came from the rear, no way it came from the rear for the simple reason that the time he was shot, the car (limo) was on a bent if you're looking at it from the "6th floor window" to hit that angle is almost impossible. The next thing you'll tell us, is that LHO was the lone gunner right? If it's the case, let's please stop it right here because I know it's going to be a waste of time. Yes watch this video and see what William Raymond say he saw in the real Zapruder film too many things missing including the stoppage of the limo and the bullet that struck the Stemmons freeway sign. The Stemmons Freeway sign was not hit, can you show me any photo's to prove your fabrication???
Have you watched the video? How can I show you an image or a photo of a ricochet of a bullet? How can I show you in the Zapruder film when we know it has been doctored beyond recognition? This is a joke right? This is hardly an argument  here it is: The wind was a light wind of 25 mph or a little less, if you look at the beginning limo was travelling at 11mph you can see JFK just before he was shot straightening his hair with his left hand to the right, which indicates that there was a small wind. The Beaufort scale is a simple number system to indicate wind speed. According to The Beaufort Scale, 25 mph is a "6" and they say that is a Strong breeze which will make large branches move. Whistling heard in overhead wires. Umbrella use becomes difficult. Empty plastic garbage cans tip over. So small particles can be expected to move with some speed and force, in the same direction as the women's dresses in the above pic.
You seem to forget the speed of the car and there was a light wind that day I didn't say it was a hurricane but a light wind in some cases it goes unnoticed, they had a light rain that morning. knots 11-16 13-18 mph Moderate Breeze Small branches move, raises dust, leaves and paper. Small waves develop, becoming longer, whitecaps. That day it was a 12.6 knots which makes it slightly over 18 mph :) Weather History Results for Dallas, TX November 22nd, 1963 « Previous Day - 11/21/1963 •••• 11/23/1963 - Next Day » On November 22nd, 1963, the closest available weather station to Dallas, TX (DALLAS LOVE FIELD, TX), reported the following conditions: High Temp: 71.1F Low Temp: 55F Average Temp: 63F Dewpoint: 55F Wind Speed: 12.6 Knots Precipitation Amount: n/a Snow Depth: n/a Observations: Rain/Drizzle See more historical weather results for Dallas, TX on this day: here is the link check it out yourself. As a guest, you are not allowed to view links.
Register or Login The video above will show you how much of the original Zapruder film is left and it also show you the testimony of William Raymond that the Limo did stop.The Zapruder Film is perfectly syncronised with Nix and Muchmore, you surely can't be serious that all or any of these films has been altered? And only 7 days later, Life Magazine printed many photo's from Zapruder and everything was a perfect match to what we see today, there is no jerky walking that would indicate missing frames, the foreground and background meld seamlessly, the sprocket hole and the ghost images from each previous frame exposed in this area prove that there is no missing frames and also proves it's authenticity!
JohnM Why can't they be altered? We are talking about the killing of a president in broad day light a huge cover up operation went on, and they were prepared it was a conspiracy after all, why would they tamper with one film and leave the other films circulate freely from hand to hand? It makes no sense at all, besides have you ever asked yourself how many by standers were there that day to watch the motorcade and how many people would have their cameras with them and compare that to how many pictures we have available you will see for yourself the level of cover up that went on. So you do believe in coincidences that most of the witnesses were killed either suicide, freak accidents, murdered etc...? I still maintain that the shot that blew JFK's brains out didn't come from the right front and it didn't come from the rear either. But do watch the video it's a six parts and you will see that the Zapruder film is a hoax and not at all reliable and listen to the testimony of William Raymond that a bullet hit the Stemmons sign. One witness who saw the bullet hole in the windshield of the limo
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AdamB Black JohnM REDThe front not the right front, just the front. Second the head was driven to the back "NO" left, what we see when his head fell to the left was an uncontrollable and unconscious head following the law of physics falling to his left. If he just fell to the left then why does his right arm muscles contract suddenly and rise, simultaneously with his back and to the left, it's because it's a neurological reaction, his brain suddenly disappeared and the nerves just shot off, this is a proven fact! No, they are not, many witnesses changed their stories several times especially Jean Hill I don't get what you are trying to say, but nevermind, these eyewitnesses saw the front right side of JFK's head just come off, and that is what is in the Zapruder film. For goodness sake, the vehicle was removed and taken away, the windshield was replaced they did everything to make it look like the shot came from the rear, it was not from the rear. The windshield had no bullet hole! Whenever a bullet goes through glass it looks like this. And would be hella obvious in any photo. Yes watch this video and see what William Raymond say he saw in the real Zapruder film too many things missing including the stoppage of the limo and the bullet that struck the Stemmons freeway sign. The Stemmons Freeway sign was not hit, can you show me any photo's to prove your fabrication???here it is: The wind was a light wind of 25 mph if you look at the beginning limo was travelling at 11mph you can see JFK just before he was shot straightening his hair with his left hand to the right, which indicates that there was a small wind. The Beaufort scale is a simple number system to indicate wind speed. According to The Beaufort Scale, 25 mph is a "6" and they say that is a Strong breeze which will make large branches move. Whistling heard in overhead wires. Umbrella use becomes difficult. Empty plastic garbage cans tip over. So small particles can be expected to move with some speed and force, in the same direction as the women's dresses in the above pic. The video above will show you how much of the original Zapruder film is left and it also show you the testimony of William Raymond that the Limo did stop.The Zapruder Film is perfectly syncronised with Nix and Muchmore, you surely can't be serious that all or any of these films has been altered? And only 7 days later, Life Magazine printed many photo's from Zapruder and everything was a perfect match to what we see today, there is no jerky walking that would indicate missing frames, the foreground and background meld seamlessly, the sprocket hole and the ghost images from each previous frame exposed in this area prove that there is no missing frames and also proves it's authenticity!
JohnMOf course THOSE bullet holes are quite obvious, but have you found some smaller caliber holes or small fragment holes? I certainly don't think there was a hole in the windshield, but you have to be careful picking your examples.
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Of course THOSE bullet holes are quite obvious, but have you found some smaller caliber holes or small fragment holes? I certainly don't think there was a hole in the windshield, but you have to be careful picking your examples.
I am not quite sure who did you reply to, but I will answer it anyway. I don't know what you mean by "examples" And secondly I don't think we can allow ourselves to have an opinion, we base our arguments on the information that is available to us. In the case of the bullet holes in the windshield it's not my opinion there are several witnesses who said the same thing, and why else the limo will be taken to Washington that night? If these witnesses are lying whoever accuses them of lying has to provide irrefutable evidence that they are lying, don't you think? Just a small note, for those who keep accusing others of being CTs, if they are not CTs themselves what are they doing on a forum that is clearly questions the assassination? If I were satisfied with the official version I wouldn't bother coming to these forums. ( just a small note on the side) lol
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I am not quite sure who did you reply to, but I will answer it anyway.
I don't know what you mean by "examples" And secondly I don't think we can allow ourselves to have an opinion, we base our arguments on the information that is available to us.
In the case of the bullet holes in the windshield it's not my opinion there are several witnesses who said the same thing, and why else the limo will be taken to Washington that night?
If these witnesses are lying whoever accuses them of lying has to provide irrefutable evidence that they are lying, don't you think?
Just a small note, for those who keep accusing others of being CTs, if they are not CTs themselves what are they doing on a forum that is clearly questions the assassination? If I were satisfied with the official version I wouldn't bother coming to these forums. (just a small note on the side) lol
Guess it's your first time on the Internet. Someone uploaded EXAMPLES of real windshields shot by real bullets. Fine, but it has little to do with JFK's limo. The windshield did not look like any of those obvious holes. And uploader did not explain what caliber and types of bullets caused those examples. I don't think I ever said any of the witness lied, except for someone like Craig. Most witnesses are just mistaken. Some are confused. Some do no get a good look. Even your favorite hole in the windshield witnesses were told by other bystanders near them that they were nuts and that is not a hole. And in case you've never been in a newsgroup before, almost any newsgroup will attract people from both sides of an issue. And unfortunately also some Trolls who are here only to harass people. Both conspiracy believers and WC defenders can agree on some issues, while some WC defenders disagree with each other and conspiracy believers often disagree with each other. Just as in science, it is easy to agree when you accept the official position, but when you reject it there are many possible alternative explanations and competing theories.
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Guess it's your first time on the Internet. Some uploaded EXAMPLES of real windshields shot by real bullets. Fine, but it has little to do with JFK's limo. The windshield did not look like any of those obvious holes. And uploader did not explain what caliber and types of bullets caused those examples. I don't think I ever said any of the witness lied, except for someone like Craig. Most witnesses are just mistaken. Some are confused. Some do no get a good look. Even your favorite hole in the windshield witnesses were told by other bystanders near them that they were nuts and that is not a hole. And in case you've never been in a newsgroup before, almost any newsgroup will attract people from both sides of an issue. And unfortunately also some Trolls who are here only to harass people. Both conspiracy believers and WC defenders can agree on some issues, while some WC defenders disagree with each other and conspiracy believers often disagree with each other. Just as in science, it is easy to agree when you accept the official position, but when you reject it there are many possible alternative explanations and competing theories.
The bolded comment made me smile lol, never mind I am not going down that kind of small irrelevant remarks. The truth of the matter is, none of us was there when it happened some people weren't even born, but we can only rely on some witnesses, to be honest the WC is an insult to our intelligence. The lady who saw the bullet hole through the windshield she knows how to handle weapons and she knows what she saw. As for the pictures of A "windshield" above it could be any windshield. As I said most people go by "Zapruder" the Zapruder film has been debunked more than once, it's a total hoax. And people Dale Myers who treats us like a bunch of idiots with his ridiculous theory (100%) WC and he attacks anyone who dares to put forward any other theory. The Tom Wilson's theory is second plausible theory after the (driver) Greer's theory. Too many things were taken out and added to the Zapruder film. I guess what is important is why he was killed who are the real culprits, the conspirators the list is as long as my arm. But has anyone noticed the date? The 22/Nov/ The same date the Federal reserve was created. JFK was assassinated for many reasons, but this is one of the biggest reasons. FR CIA LBJ Too many enemies, everybody had a reason to see him out of the picture. For me it was Greer until something else suggests otherwise.
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The Parkland Doctor's claim JFK had a huge hole on the right rear of his head, but upon closer examination they were all mistaken or lying.
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Apparently the Doctors weren't the only cognitively impaired people to see JFK's wounds, at least according to the WC and the WC apologist brigade. Among others. FBI summary of the interview of Secret Service agent Roy Kellerman, who was in charge of the White House detail.
FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATIONdate dictated 11/29/63 -snip- " The Presidential vehicle arrive at the Parkland Memorial Hospital in a matter of minutes."-snip- "He described the President's head as laying partially on the lap of Mrs. Kennedy and back against the rear cushion of the back seat. According to Kellerman, the President at this time was alive because he noticed that he was breathing. Kellerman advised he did not notice the extent of the injury to the President although he noticed a wound in the back of his head." -snip- --------------- ACTIVITIES OF PAT HUTTON ON
FRIDAY, NOVEMBER 22, 1963I came back from lunch, and went to the O.B.-Gynocology section where I was working. At approximately 12:30 P.M., the triage nurse called us to bring a cart out to the entrance. We took said cart out the door, and it was then that I realized who was in the car.
Several people helped put the President on the cart, and we then proceeded to the Major Surgery Section of the Emergency Room to Truama Room #1. Mr. Kennedy was bleeding profusely from a wound on the back of his head, and was lying there unresponsive.
As soon as we reached the room, a doctor placed an endotracheal tube and prepared for a tracheostomy. Within a few minutes, there were numerous doctors in the room starting I.V.'s, placing chest tubes and anesthesia with O2. A doctor asked me to place a pressure dressing on the head wound. This was of no use, however, because of the massive opening on the back of the head.
Blood was pumped in along with the I.V.'s running. After a period of handing instruments and equipment to the doctors as needed, it was announced that the President had expired. We then removed the tubes and I.V.'s from him. Mrs. Kennedy came in with a priest, and last rites were performed. When Mrs. Kennedy left, we removed all of the equipment from the room, and I then left at the request of the supervisor to get a plastic cover to line the coffin. I returned with it, and Mr. Kennedy was placed in the coffin to await orders to move him by ambulance. After that, I stood outside the door with Mrs. Nelson until the body was removed. When the area was clear, another nurse and I went up to the dining room for coffee. We returned to the Emergency Room where I changed clothes, and left at approximately 4:00 P.M. for home.
SATURDAY, NOVEMBER 23, 1963
I arrived for work at 9:30 A.M. and was told that our names had been released, and to check with administration before talking with anyone.
I was not asked any questions by anyone, and spent an uneventful 8 hours on duty.
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One witness who saw the bullet hole in the windshield of the limo That woman said that there were no cracks associated with the bullet. That tells us that her story is bunk. There are several photos of the limo in which cracks in the windshield are very plain to see.
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The bolded comment made me smile lol, never mind I am not going down that kind of small irrelevant remarks.
The truth of the matter is, none of us was there when it happened some people weren't even born, but we can only rely on some witnesses, to be honest the WC is an insult to our intelligence.
The lady who saw the bullet hole through the windshield she knows how to handle weapons and she knows what she saw. As for the pictures of A "windshield" above it could be any windshield. As I said most people go by "Zapruder" the Zapruder film has been debunked more than once, it's a total hoax.
And people Dale Myers who treats us like a bunch of idiots with his ridiculous theory (100%) WC and he attacks anyone who dares to put forward any other theory. The Tom Wilson's theory is second plausible theory after the (driver) Greer's theory.
Too many things were taken out and added to the Zapruder film.
I guess what is important is why he was killed who are the real culprits, the conspirators the list is as long as my arm. But has anyone noticed the date? The 22/Nov/ The same date the Federal reserve was created.
JFK was assassinated for many reasons, but this is one of the biggest reasons.
FR CIA LBJ Too many enemies, everybody had a reason to see him out of the picture.
For me it was Greer until something else suggests otherwise.
Absolutely worthless. Eyewitness statements are unreliable. I don't care who the lady was. She was wrong. The photographic evidence shows it was only a crack, not a hole. I don't care what your kook theory of the week is. It has absolutely nothing to do with the physical evidence. You are a kook who needs to claim that all the evidence is fake. Fine, then don't cite any evidence at all. Don't say anything about the Zapruder film. Don't say anything about the windshield.
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Absolutely worthless. Eyewitness statements are unreliable. I don't care who the lady was. She was wrong. The photographic evidence shows it was only a crack, not a hole. I don't care what your kook theory of the week is. It has absolutely nothing to do with the physical evidence. You are a kook who needs to claim that all the evidence is fake. Fine, then don't cite any evidence at all. Don't say anything about the Zapruder film. Don't say anything about the windshield.
I really don't care whether you care or not, you obviously care on things you can see, anything you can't see, doesn't exist ;) Richard Dudman, St. Louis-Dispatch reporter. Dudman wrote a New Republic opinion piece on December 21, 1963 arguing that Kennedy had been shot from the front in Dealey Plaza. “Some of the points raised here bothered me on the scene in Dallas,” wrote Dudman, “where I witnessed President Kennedy's assassination and the slaying of the accused assassin two days later.
Three circumstances --- the entry wound in the throat, the small, round hole in the windshield of the Presidential limousine, and the number of bullets found afterward --- suggested that there had been a second sniper firing from a point in front of the automobile.” And what of “the small, round hole in the windshield of the Presidential limousine?” Dudman wrote, “A few of us noticed the hole in the windshield when the limousine was standing at the emergency entrance after the President had been carried inside. I could not approach close enough to see on which side was the cup-shaped spot that indicates a bullet has pierced the glass from the opposite side.”
Professor Fetzer and others often quote this remark of Dudman’s as proof a bullet penetrated the windshield of the limousine. What Fetzer does not quote is a follow-up to Dudman’s remark from Robert B. Livingston, M.D. published in Assassination Science. Dudman and Livingston were Stanford classmates and their families were friendly. “Our families had a dinner discussion on this subject in Washington, D.C. within a week or so of the assassination,” wrote Livingston. “Dick Dudman told me about the windshield then, although to the present he does not know whether the hole he saw penetrated the windshield. He was prevented by the Secret Service from testing the hole’s presumed patency by probing it with a pen or a pencil.”
Harry Russell Freeman, a DPD motorcycle officer. According to Murder from Within (1974) by Fred T. Newcomb and Perry Adams, Gil Toff interviewed Freeman in 1971 for the book. Toff reported that Freeman said he observed a hole in the windshield when the car stood outside the Emergency Room at Parkland Hospital. “I was right beside it,” said Freeman. “I could have touched it. It was a bullet hole. You could tell what it was.”
Stavis Ellis, a DPD motorcycle officer. The day after interviewing Freeman, Gil Toff interviewed Ellis. According to Toff, Ellis told him, “There was a hole in the left front windshield... you could put a pencil through it.” Ellis was also interviewed by Larry Sneed for No More Silence (1998). According to Sneed, Ellis reported: I walked by the limousine after they were taken in …… Some of the jockeys around the car were saying, ‘Looky here!’ What they were looking at was the windshield. To the right of where the driver was, just above the metal near the bottom of the glass there appeared to be a bullet hole. I talked to a Secret Service man about it, and he said, ‘Aw, that’s just a fragment!’ It looked like a clean hole in the windshield to me. In fact, one of the motor jockeys, Harry Freeman, put a pencil through it, or said he could.
On August 5,1978, Ellis was interviewed by HSCA Staff with respect to his report that he had seen “a missile hit the ground in the area of the motorcade.” Ellis was riding a motorcycle in the motorcade ahead of the Presidential limousine. Ellis “saw debris come up from the ground at a nearby curb” and then saw “President Kennedy turn around and look over his shoulder. The second shot hit him and the third shot blew his head up.” Oddly enough, we can find no mention in HSCA documents of Ellis’ claim to have seen a hole in the windshield.
3. Witness Reports: From Dealey Plaza to Parkland Hospital
Secret Service Agent William Greer drove the car during the assassination and then on to Parkland Hospital. In a January 6, 1964 letter to Lee Rankin at the Warren Commission, Chief James Rowley of the Secret Service said Greer “states that he did not notice any damage to the windshield on the drive to the hospital.”
At Parkland Hospital, Secret Service and other law enforcement personnel kept onlookers away from the limousine. Two police officers and a reporter later indicated they had seen a hole in the windshield at Parkland Hospital.
Now look at this What comes out so clearly is not so much who specifically did it, but that government agents were literally everywhere covering up the facts, falsifying evidence, threatening witnesses to change their stories, and in every way attempting to manipulate the outcome of the investigation, so that it will point to only one person, Lee Harvey Oswald (who, it turns out, worked for the CIA). This is the classic fingerprint of conspiracy: multiple attempts to cover up and change the facts. This kind of pressure shows up in virtually all of the recent assassinations and murder committed by these government hit squads. Most importantly, we layman can trace the presence of conspiracy by looking closely at these cover-ups and coercion of witnesses. Here are some cogent facts uncovered by Lifton and others--just a sampling.
Keep believing in the so called "authentic pictures that you SEE" Government agents swooped down upon anyone in the crowd who had taken pictures of the assignation and confiscated their cameras and film.
· They altered the Zapruder movie film of the assassination, cutting and splicing frames to change the outcome.
· Secret Service removed and replaced the windshield of Kennedy’s limousine so they could cover up the fact that it had a bullet hole coming from the front (the grassy knoll).
Didn't it ever strike anyone here, of hundreds of people that day taking pictures and filming the motorcade and the assassination, all we have is a few lousy images and everyone here welcomed with an open arms and taking them as a gospel? It is rather sad for those who are mislead by the "EVIDENCE" such as yourself, I do feel sorry for you, that is if you're a genuine truth seeker of course. As a guest, you are not allowed to view links.
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Stavis Ellis/Freeman - Two DPD motorcycle policemen. Ellis is on record (_No More Silence_) as saying he saw a hole low on the windshield; both have told interviewers they put a 'pencil' through the hole; also are on record saying they 'could have' put a pencil through the hole.
Evangelea Glanges - Nursing student at Parkland Hospital; did not volunteer a location for the 'hole', and was not asked by interviewers Weldon or Palamara; maintains that she leaned on 100X, noticed the hole, commented on it and at that point an Secret Service agent drove the car away. Also documented in "Conspiracy of Silence".
Richard Dudman - Highly respected reporter for St. Louis Post-Dispatch. On record in "Assassination Science" as claiming their was a 'hole' in the windshield in a newspaper article; location of hole is referenced by colleague Livingston as being 'high' on the windshield. This has not been corroborated by Dudman who, to date, refuses (I wonder why?)to talk about the assassination.
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