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 December 31, 2011, 07:44:34 PM
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I was looking through the Bell frames from " The lost bullet " DVD Look at this frame: This is the closest i have ever seen Zapruder and Sitzman standing to the pedestal area. Zapruder and Sitzman are standing on the shadow cast on the ground by the pedestal  Shown below is a nice Bell frame that CLEARLY shows Zapruders back, as he walks into the pergola entrance. Note that in this frame Zapruder and Sitzman have now moved there position considerably in relation to the shadow cast on the ground by the pedestal 
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January 01, 2012, 07:47:44 AM
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All things are possible Rick. That frame is hard to read. The more i look at this Cook frame, the more i think i see a folded up coat, and a large black handbag hanging down from Beatrices hand  Hi Robin Ok, I follow you now. Yes. In the Cook frame you labeled...it does look like she's holding a dark, rather long strapped handbag  As far as the beige colored area which you are questioning in the Bell frame, I think most of that looks like the sun shining through whatever makes up the covered area in between the east and west pergola sheltered areas...the lattice like (?) beams between them in the semi circular curved walkway area. These alternating areas of sunlight and shadow cast on the walkway's curved concrete wall are best seen in the Weigman frames. I very well could be wrong, although I think in part it is the sunlight shining through and cast on the semi circular concrete wall. We don't see Mrs. Hester in that Bell frame, so maybe some of what we see might be her too? 
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January 01, 2012, 07:58:37 AM
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Ignore the green circle. That's just the red flashing light from the motorcycle,  Yes Robin. Even without your outline, I could see the dark colored handbag you described   Your outline of the rectangular shaped object between Beatrice and the dark colored handbag...what do you think? To me it looks like a neatly wrapped book (?) or picture frame (?) or similar. BUT, why don't we see this dark colored handbag around Mrs. Hester in the Zapruder pre-assassination footage shot by the west pergola shelter? Maybe it's Marilyn Sitzman's dark colored handbag clearly seen earlier in the Bell film and Beatrice Hester is carrying it out for her?  As a guest, you are not allowed to view links.
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January 01, 2012, 08:25:56 AM
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Quote: Maybe it's Marilyn Sitzman's dark colored handbag clearly seen earlier in the Bell film and Beatrice Hester is carrying it out for her? I was thinking the same thing, Sitzman is seen holding her bag in cook, Beatrice may have handed it back to her. ? That appears to be Beatrice standing just behind the boy on the left of Sitzman 
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January 01, 2012, 08:36:53 AM
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Quote: Maybe it's Marilyn Sitzman's dark colored handbag clearly seen earlier in the Bell film and Beatrice Hester is carrying it out for her? I was thinking the same thing, Sitzman is seen holding her bag in cook, Beatrice may have handed it back to her. ? It's possible that is Beatrice standing just behind the boy on the left of Sitzman Thanks Robin. I was hoping you wouldn't think of me as a nut job for thinking maybe Beatrice was carrying Sitzman's handbag for her  Now that you mention it, that DOES look like Beatrice Hester standing behind the boy to the left of Sitzman in the Cook frame. Nice catch my friend  So maybe Marilyn did hand it to her shortly afterwards As a guest, you are not allowed to view links.
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January 01, 2012, 05:46:54 PM
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Robin and Rick,
Please help me out for a second. It appears you are simply trying to ascertain the movements of various witnesses as completely as possible using the available film and photo record. (And in my opinion, you do an amazingly good job of spotting and piecing together details that I doubt that I would ever see.)
It doesn't appear, though, that you are doing this in the context of trying support a particular theory - or else I am jumping into the middle of a long conversation that runs through multiple threads.
Don't get me wrong. I think this kind of thing is absolutely fascinating, irregardless. But I suspect I am missing the big picture...
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January 01, 2012, 07:30:55 PM
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Hi Greg These sort of threads often lead off in many tangents.  The purpose of this thread when i started it was to show the correlation between what is beleived to be seen in the Paschall movie ( namely Zapruder and Sitzman dismounting and walking away from the pedestal ) The Hargis motorcycle seen in between one of the peristyle columns, Babuska lady standing between the next peristyle column, Mary moorman seen sitting on the grass in the next column area just to the right of her, and the car visible driving by.  AND Whatever new information can be gathered from the newly re-mastered Bell Frames. Since this is my thread, i don't mind if the thread runs off into multiple tangents ( Just as long as it has some bearing on the Clearer newly re-mastered Bell frames or the Paschall Movie ) Robin
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January 01, 2012, 07:52:26 PM
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Quote: It doesn't appear, though, that you are doing this in the context of trying support a particular theory Hi Greg The only theory that i am supporting, is the apparently similar Timeline between the Bell Film AND the Paschall film and also identifying anomylies in the Bell the frames ( such as what does Beatrice have in her hand when she is on the ground ) ( Can we get a clearer look at Zapruder in the pedestal ) sometimes this diverts the thread to Weigman frames, or Cook frames to suport the theory being put forward. Bell Frames:  Paschall Frame: 
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