Mr. SPECTER. And what time did you leave school?
Mr. EUINS. 11:30.
Mr. SPECTER. And where did you go from your school?
Mr. EUINS. Downtown.
Mr. SPECTER. What part of downtown?
Mr. EUINS. Right over by the county jail.
Mr. SPECTER. Do you know the names of those streets, Amos?
Mr. EUINS. No, sir.
Mr. SPECTER. If I told you they were Elm and Houston, would that help your memory as to what the names of those streets were?
Mr. EUINS. It was right by the freeway.
Mr. SPECTER. All right. Let me show you a photograph, Amos, which is on a document I have marked as Commission Exhibit No. 365.
(The document referred to was marked Commission Exhibit No. 365 for identification.)
Mr. SPECTER. Take just a minute and look at that, and see if you can recognize where that is.
Mr. EUINS. This is going across the railroad tracks, back up to here right here at the corner is the Book Depository Building.
Mr. SPECTER. That is the Book Depository Building, you say?
Mr. EUINS. Yes, sir.
Mr. SPECTER. All right.
Why don't you just put an "X" with this pencil on the Book Depository Building, as you identify it there, Amos--on the building itself.
(Witness marking.)
Mr. SPECTER. Now, were you somewhere in that area when the President's motorcade went by?
Mr. EUINS. I was right here.
Mr. SPECTER Why don't you take this black pencil and put an "A" right where you were, Amos.
(Witness marking.)
Mr. SPECTER. Now, what time did you get to the place where you have marked With an "A"?
Mr. EUINS. Oh, I would say around about 15 minutes or something like that to 12, because my mother brought me down there.
Mr. SPECTER. She drove you down, did she?
Mr. EUINS. Yes, sir.
Mr. SPECTER. Now, were you with anybody when you came to that spot, or did your mother leave you off there by yourself?
Mr. EUINS. She left me. She had to go on to work.
Mr. SPECTER. Now, about how long was it after you got there that the motorcade came by?
Mr. EUINS. Oh, I would say about--I had been there about 15, maybe 20 minutes. It come around-the comer, come on around.
Mr. SPECTER. All right.
Amos, I want to show you another picture here that I have marked as Commission Exhibit No. 366.
(The document referred to was marked Commission Exhibit No. 366 for identification.)
Mr. SPECTER. I ask you if you can recognize what that building is.
Mr. EUINS. This here is the Book Depository Building.
Mr. SPECTER. All right.
Now, look back over here at 365. Can you tell us which direction the President's motorcade came from on this picture?
Mr. EUINS. It come from right in here.
Mr. SPECTER. First of all, do you know what the name of this street is? Would that be Main Street, in Dallas?
Mr. EUINS. Yes, sir; I think so.
Mr. SPECTER. Coming down Main Street, indicating in a general westerly direction. Turning which way?
Mr. EUINS. This way.
Mr. SPECTER. Turned right.
Do you know if that is Houston Street?
Mr. EUINS. No, sir; I don't.
Mr. SPECTER. Let the record show the witness is identifying a street heretofore identified as Houston.
Then which way did the motorcade go after proceeding in a general northerly direction on Houston?
Mr. EUINS. It come this way, turn.
Mr. SPECTER. Which way--right or left?
Mr. EUINS. It turned to the left, coming down, going on.
Mr. SPECTER. Do you know the name of the street it turned onto when it made the left turn?
Mr. EUINS. I was just trying to keep an eye on the President.
Mr. SPECTER. The witness has identified a street heretofore identified as Elm Street.
Tell us what you saw as the motorcade went by.
Mr. EUINS. I was standing here on the comer. And then the President come around the corner right here. And I was standing here. And I was waving, because there wasn't hardly no one on the corner right there but me. I was waving. He looked that way and he waved back at me. And then I had seen a pipe, you know, up there in the window, I thought it was a pipe, some kind of pipe.
Mr. SPECTER. When had you first seen that thing you just described as a pipe?
Mr. EUINS. Right as he turned the corner here.
Mr. SPECTER. Now, exactly where did you see that thing you have described as a pipe come from. And take a good look now before you tell us where it was.
Mr. EUINS. Right here.
Mr. SPECTER. Now, will you mark an "X" on Exhibit No. 366 where you saw the pipe? Mark the exact window, if you can, Amos.
(Witness marking.)
Mr. SPECTER. All right.
Proceed to tell us what happened, Amos.
Mr. EUINS. Then I was standing here, and as the motorcade turned the corner, I was facing, looking dead at the building. And so I seen this pipe thing sticking out the window. I wasn't paying too much attention to it. Then when the first shot was fired, I started looking around, thinking it was a backfire. Everybody else started looking around. Then I looked up at the window, and he shot again. So--you know this fountain bench here, right around here. Well, anyway, there is a little fountain right here. I got behind this little fountain, and then he shot again.
So after he shot again, he just started looking down this, you know.
Mr. SPECTER. Who started looking down that way?
Mr. EUINS. The man in the window. I could see his hand, and I could see his other hand on the trigger, and one hand was on the barrel thing.
Mr. SPECTER. All right.
Now, at the time the second shot was fired, where were you looking then?
Mr. EUINS. I was still looking at the building, you know, behind this--I was looking at the building.
Mr. SPECTER. Looking at anything special in the building?
Mr. EUINS. Yes, sir. I was looking where the barrel was sticking out.
Mr. SPECTER. How many shots did you hear altogether?
Mr. EUINS. I believe there was four, to be exact.
Mr. SPECTER. Now, where were you looking at the time of the third shot, if you remember?
Mr. EUINS. After he shot the first two times, I was just standing back here. And then after he shot again, he pulled the gun back in the window. And then all the police ran back over here in the track vicinity.
Mr. SPECTER. Slow down just a little bit in what you are telling us.
When the second shot occurred, were you still standing at the point where you marked with an "A" on 365?
Mr. EUINS. Yes, sir. But I was right behind this little--
Mr. SPECTER. Were you a little bit behind of where that "A" is?
Mr. EUINS. Yes, sir; right back here.
Mr. SPECTER. Let's mark that with a "B," where you were at the time the second shot occurred.
(Witness marking.)
Mr. SPECTER. All right.
Now, when the third shot occurred, Amos, let me ask you again, where were you looking then?
Mr. EUINS. I was still down here, looking up at the building.
Mr. SPECTER. And were you still standing at point B?
Mr. EUINS. Yes.
Mr. SPECTER. When he pulled it back in the window?
Mr. EUINS. I was still behind here, yes.
Mr. SPECTER. Where were you when you heard what you described as the fourth shot?
Mr. EUINS. The first shot I was standing here.
Mr. SPECTER. Now you are referring to 366. Put an "L" on 366 where you were standing at the first shot.
Mr. EUINS. Right here.
(Witness marking.)
Mr. EUINS. And then as I looked up there, you know, he fired another shot, you know, as I was looking. So I got behind this fountain thing right in there, at this point B.
Mr. SPECTER. At point B, on 365?
Mr. EUINS. I got behind there. And then I watched, he did fire again. Then he started looking down towards my way, and then he fired again.
Mr. SPECTER. The question I have for you now is where were you when he fired on that fourth time.
Mr. EUINS. I was still behind point B.
Mr. SPECTER. You were still at point B when he fired the fourth time?
Mr. EUINS. Yes, sir. Then he pulled the gun back in the window.
Mr. SPECTER. Did you see him pull the gun back in the window after the fourth shot?
Mr. EUINS. Yes; he just come back like this.
Mr. SPECTER. Did you watch what he did after that?
Mr. EUINS. No, sir; because after he had pulled it back in the window, I ran this way, and went across the tracks.
Mr. SPECTER. All right.
You start on Exhibit 365, and put the black mark and show us the path of where you ran on 365.
Mr. EUINS. I was here at "B."
(Witness marking.)
Mr. EUINS. I was coming down like this here, and there was a policeman, you know there is a little cut you can come through there. There was a policeman standing right around here.
Mr. SPECTER. Where was the policeman standing? Mark that with point "C," Amos.
Mr. EUINS. Right there.
(Witness marking.)
Mr. SPECTER. You ran past the policeman standing at point C?
Mr. EUINS. No, sir. You see, I come from point B, and ran here, and told the policeman I had seen the shot, because they were looking at the railroad tracks. So he put me on the cycle and he went to here.
Mr. SPECTER. He put you on the cycle and took you where?
Mr. EUINS. Up to the front of the building.
Mr. SPECTER. The Texas School Book Depository Building?
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