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 December 13, 2011, 04:43:58 AM
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Just stick to the truth, Mark, and no hassles from me. ONE decption, though, and no truce.
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December 13, 2011, 04:59:35 AM
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Just stick to the truth, Mark, and no hassles from me. ONE decption, though, and no truce.
I'm using the photos that are available , no words, words mean nothing. JFK is on the door and that is how he is in every photo that I see of him in the limo. If there are photos to the contrary by all means post them because the goal is accuracy.
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December 13, 2011, 05:05:37 AM
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Just stick to the truth, Mark, and no hassles from me. ONE decption, though, and no truce.
But Mark has already used an official scale diagram of the Limo in his previous thread and you got that wrong. Through the Zapruder film I proved that the Limo was angled towards the left lane, and you said the Limo was drifting? How wrong can you be before you accept defeat?
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December 13, 2011, 06:10:00 AM
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I don't see where the photos above differ from this one.  What is interesting about that diagram is the appearance that Gov Connally's seat is shifted more toward the center than Mrs Connallys. But in fact the inside edges of both jump seats are an identical distance from the center line of the car. BUT... Gov Connally's seat is narrower than Mrs. Connallys leaving about 1/2" wider gap between its outside edge and the door. Is this accurate? I have no idea but that is what the drawing shows. I wonder why one seat would be narrower than the other. Not that it matters because the difference is very slight and again they are both an equal distance from the center.
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« Last Edit: December 13, 2011, 06:13:17 AM by Garret Maki »
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December 13, 2011, 06:18:16 AM
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What is interesting about that diagram is the appearance that Gov Connally's seat is shifted more toward the center than Mrs Connallys. But in fact the inside edges of both jump seats are an identical distance from the center line of the car. BUT... Gov Connally's seat is narrower than Mrs. Connallys leaving about 1/2" wider gap between its outside edge and the door.
Is this accurate? I have no idea but that is what the drawing shows. I wonder why one seat would be narrower than the other.
Not that it matters because the difference is very slight and again they are both an equal distance from the center.
I can't figure out what you are trying to say. Do you mean that the copier distorted the scale during the copy process? Does this drawing help? As a guest, you are not allowed to view links.
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December 13, 2011, 06:29:26 AM
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I can't figure out what you are trying to say. Do you mean that the copier distorted the scale during the copy process? Does this drawing help? As a guest, you are not allowed to view links.
Register or LoginI don't know if that helps but the jump seats in that diagram are both the same size and the same distance from the door. The ones in Mark's drawing show a clear difference in the sizes of the seats resulting in a greater distance between the inside of the door and the outside edge of Gov Connally's seat... (and that is what Bob is losing his lunch about). I think I found that original drawing that is based on and it's hard to read the measurements but it seems to reflect that difference as well. 
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December 13, 2011, 09:34:33 AM
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On your pictures, note that Jfk's arm is sometimes out of the car, sometimes on the border. When he is bending right, the arm is outside. When he is straight, the arm is on the border and there is some space between Jfk and the door. On the zapruder film, the chrome shiny line along the limo is a good mark . Anyway, if you want to get accuracy, you must use a CG program like Blender which is free, download a free google 3d model of dealey plaza , or just use a plan ,and work with anthony marsh's diagram which shows the wheels positions. John Mytton and you are correct about the limo going to the left, i saw that already on my old 3d model, and it is obvious on the Z film. I told you already, jfk was more to the center and JC 3 inches more to the center. ( As a guest, you are not allowed to view links.
Register or Login) If jfk is like on your drawing, his arm would be straight at the maximum extension, which is obviously not the case on the Z film. Altgens 255 can help you to position JFK especially if you have a 3d model. Polystyrene model at 1/6 scale could be usefull. ( in 1982, i made a clay model of the limo at 1/6 scale with a barbie and jfk Mattel puppet inside, just to say that i'ml accustomed to see where is jfk). As a guest, you are not allowed to view links.
Register or LoginPlacing JFK is a piece of cake as long we open two eyes. I saw the myers image on the old "dead" thread. There is a big mistake corrected here. The long chrome lines of the limo are obvious on the Zapruder frame and there is no ambiguity about JFK's location, his arm position. As a guest, you are not allowed to view links.
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December 13, 2011, 12:42:14 PM
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On your pictures, note that Jfk's arm is sometimes out of the car, sometimes on the border. When he is bending right, the arm is outside. When he is straight, the arm is on the border and there is some space between Jfk and the door. On the zapruder film, the chrome shiny line along the limo is a good mark . Anyway, if you want to get accuracy, you must use a CG program like Blender which is free, download a free google 3d model of dealey plaza , or just use a plan ,and work with anthony marsh's diagram which shows the wheels positions. John Mytton and you are correct about the limo going to the left, i saw that already on my old 3d model, and it is obvious on the Z film. I told you already, jfk was more to the center and JC 3 inches more to the center. ( As a guest, you are not allowed to view links.
Register or Login) If jfk is like on your drawing, his arm would be straight at the maximum extension, which is obviously not the case on the Z film. Altgens 255 can help you to position JFK especially if you have a 3d model. Polystyrene model at 1/6 scale could be usefull. ( in 1982, i made a clay model of the limo at 1/6 scale with a barbie and jfk Mattel puppet inside, just to say that i'ml accustomed to see where is jfk). As a guest, you are not allowed to view links.
Register or LoginPlacing JFK is a piece of cake as long we open two eyes. I saw the myers image on the old "dead" thread. There is a big mistake corrected here. The long chrome lines of the limo are obvious on the Zapruder frame and there is no ambiguity about JFK's location, his arm position. As a guest, you are not allowed to view links.
Register or LoginNo I don't have any of those tools. I have a two drawing programs and this forum, that's it. CAD and Visio. I draw electrical diagrams, it is pretty elementary stuff as in, no elevations, no perspective, etc. just a bunch of lines with no measurements and most of that is template driven. I have no ability to freehand anything. You obviously do, and it would be great if you lent me your talents on this.
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