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BDM in Moorman... this one or both of the black couple from the bench?  (Read 1361 times)
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In between where Badgeman and Arnold are "supposed" to be is this image that looks to me as if it is right behind the wall and not back by the fence...

As I have mentioned in the past, the black couple seen by Sitzman is not seen in any photograph... either she was wrong or they/he/she were BDM...

No one else was seen up there.  and the shapes are eerily similiar....

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Duncan, the third image you used of the policeman looking down is a fake?

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you know this beyond all doubt HOW again Anthony?
and if so, where are the black couple on the bench?  anyone sitting there would have their head ans shoulders well above the wall
yet there is not a single image of them anywhere...    

I thought for a while it was Hudson as he walked down from the toolshed...

but I am told he really is next to this man further down the steps at the time...  not exactly a convincing image of Hudwon on the steps...  

This was offered on your site for proof of BDM...  not yours, do you believe that we see him in this frame?



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Duncan, the third image you used of the policeman looking down is a fake?

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Yes, it's all just a scenario.


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Thanks everyone...

Yet... I still have a problem with what Sitzman says as it relates to these TWO people... no baby... and where they were at the time of the shots...


Sitzman: Some ran ... I mean ... I finally got back up to the alcove. There was bunches of people just swarming back there, and I think almost everybody on that hill ran back up that way. And another thing that I remember this day: there was a colored couple. I figure they were between 18 and 21, a boy and a girl, sitting on a bench, just almost, oh, parallel with me, on my right side, close to the fence.
Thompson: In other words, between you and the fence, there's a tree right next to the ...
Sitzman: There's a tree, and there's another part of the marble or concrete, whatever they call it, slab, fence, whatever they call it, between that and the wooden fence.
Thompson: Which direction was the bench facing when you ...
Sitzman: It was facing towards the street.
Thompson: Towards the street. Parallel? Downstreet? Facing forward?
Sitzman: And they were eating their lunch, 'cause they had little lunch sacks, and they were drinking coke. The main reason I remember 'em is, after the last shot I recall hearing and the car went down under the triple underpass there, I heard a crash of glass, and I looked over there, and the kids had thrown down their coke bottles, just threw them down and just started running towards the back and I ... Of course, I don't see anything unusual in that because everybody else was running that way, 'cause when I look over on my left side, the people on the hill were all running back the same way too.

I did a bit more work on the image and I think the "baby" area is simply light from behind...
Does it makes sense that the BDM entity would walk back to the bench as the limo was arriving..  probably not... so Sitzman seing them sitting there MAY coincide with what Rosemary sees...  BDM quickly disappearing, falling to its left, or right back toward the bench...

I do not think the couple posted were even a couple.. do you know they were together?... and that BDM was either one or both of this black couple, no baby... who, after the shots, went back to the bench...

By lookin gat this enhancement and the first I posted, you can see how the "baby" is really the light behind this image...  at least that's what I see right this second...   

Again, is there any proof that there was freshly broken glass behind the wall near this bench?




Hi David. BDM was maybe one of the first postings i made on this Forum.
Very good eye combined with a lot of knowledge of 3 Dimensions. It's my Job.

Moorman and Nix in Combination does show a person behind the retaing wall who has apparently nothing to
do with the shooting. He was there, disappeared and was out of history.

One need a very neutral mind to observe it. Otherwise you get mad in this puzzle of historic pictures.

I was very defense in the last years about it but now shout it out loud: Who was this man's order behind
the Retaining Wall in Elm Street? No Baby, no woman no cry. Just a male person who was involved to kill JFK.

Ah, and i have honestly to say: Shame on the USA for withhelding the truth about the death of JFK.

Martin

Ps: It's time that the arabic spring is going to inspire the Us Government......now.

Martin


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Hi David. BDM was maybe one of the first postings i made on this Forum.
Very good eye combined with a lot of knowledge of 3 Dimensions. It's my Job.

Moorman and Nix in Combination does show a person behind the retaing wall who has apparently nothing to
do with the shooting. He was there, disappeared and was out of history.

One need a very neutral mind to observe it. Otherwise you get mad in this puzzle of historic pictures.

I was very defense in the last years about it but now shout it out loud: Who was this man's order behind
the Retaining Wall in Elm Street? No Baby, no woman no cry. Just a male person who was involved to kill JFK.

Ah, and i have honestly to say: Shame on the USA for withhelding the truth about the death of JFK.

Martin

Ps: It's time that the arabic spring is going to inspire the Us Government......now.

Martin


Thanks Martin and Cheers...

With all your concentration then on this area and BDM... why no images of the black couple on the bench?
Doesn't that seem a bit too IN-convenient for BDM to be nefarious?

There's brazen and there's crazy... the fence is brazen... the conrete wall... no way, in my opinion....
I still think BDM is one or both of these kids

It makes perfect sense that they would jump back to the bench once the shots started... even hide behind the wall...
then make a ruckus and run off...

but the jury is still out on that one...

"Shame on the USA for withhelding the truth about the death of JFK."
While very close, I do not think the USA is behind the supression of that info.. but some very key people who are affiliated with entities well beyond countries, nations and governments....

Sure would be nice to see a GREAT version of Nix...  seems the key to the whole thing is on that film...
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Thanks Martin and Cheers...

With all your concentration then on this area and BDM... why no images of the black couple on the bench?
Doesn't that seem a bit too IN-convenient for BDM to be nefarious?

There's brazen and there's crazy... the fence is brazen... the conrete wall... no way, in my opinion....
I still think BDM is one or both of these kids

It makes perfect sense that they would jump back to the bench once the shots started... even hide behind the wall...
then make a ruckus and run off...

but the jury is still out on that one...

"Shame on the USA for withhelding the truth about the death of JFK."
While very close, I do not think the USA is behind the supression of that info.. but some very key people who are affiliated with entities well beyond countries, nations and governments....

Sure would be nice to see a GREAT version of Nix...  seems the key to the whole thing is on that film...
DJ

Hi David, thank you first for warm words.

The BDM is for sure...sure. (Kevin James humor)
I will not sound stubborn but i've examinad this Images for such a long time that
i'am sure, i'am right.
No Woman, No Children, No ape, No Dog.
Just a man behind the wall.

When i say i'am right does mean it's a progress of sometimes many years.
On this Forum are many Postings from my own who shows why i told that.

Please use the Search Button. It was pretty intelligent what i've posted sometimes.

Oops , did i told sometimes?

Best to you

Martin


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Something that's been bothering me. The man in the red shirt near Emmett Hudson has been tentatively identified (by Pat Speer, if I recall correctly) as F. Lee Mudd.
Now Hudson says that the youngish man he spoke with on those steps told him he worked "over there on Industrial". But Mudd told the FBI he was only in Dallas on a business trip.
It's hard to see therefore how Mudd can have been the youngish man with whom Hudson spoke.
So, who and where was Mudd?
Was he the black man on the steps? In which case, how many African Americans would have owned their own western store? (Mudd said he was visiting Dallas to purchase clothing for his store back in Louisiana.)
Or was he the white man in the red shirt? In which case, it seems very odd that Hudson wouldn't mention that the youngish man he spoke with was 'colored'.
Or - was Mudd neither of the two men seen with Hudson on the steps? Was he in fact standing down closer to the street and well to the east of Hudson and co.'s location?


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Went on a Search, as you suggested and read thru the BDM threads....

Good stuff yet not definitive about who BDM is...  and until we see evidence of the black couple Sitzman describes...

Plus ther is a bit of a problem with Hudson I think...  I was originally under the impression this was the tool shed he speaks of and that he walks to the steps, very possibly right past BDM...


Mr. HUDSON - Yes; I was over there next to that T. & P. Railroad yard where the little toolshed was.
Mr. LIEBELER - What was the nearest intersection to where you were?
Mr. HUDSON - Elm.
Mr. LIEBELER - Elm and What?
Mr. HUDSON - Houston.
Mr. LIEBELER - Elm and Houston?
Mr. HUDSON - Yes.
Mr. LIEBELER - How far away from the corner of Elm and Houston were you at the time the motorcade came by?
Mr. HUDSON - Oh, I suppose that it's about - the best I can estimate is somewhere about 200 yards, I guess, down Elm and Houston when the motorcade came along - that's about where I was.
Mr. LIEBELER - You were right by where the motorcade came by; is that right?
Mr. HUDSON - Yes, sir.
Mr. LIEBELER - Would you tell us to the best of your recollection what you saw and tell us just what happened when the motorcade came along?
Mr. HUDSON - Well, I was standing on those steps that came straight down to Elm there, just above that triple underpass, I was about halfway between the tripple underpass and Houston, where the steps are - somewhere near about halfway.

yet he just APPEARS there in his testimony... sitting next to the man who works on Industrial...  one would think he would have mentioned a colored man.... but maybe not.
He testifies that they were just sitting there and stood up when the limo arrives


Mr. HUDSON - Well there was a young fellow, oh, I would judge his age about in his late twenties. He said he had been looking for a place to park and he walked up there and he said he finally just taken a place over there in one of them parking lots, and he come on down there and said he worked over there on Industrial and me and him both just sat there first on those steps. When the motorcade turned off of Houston onto Elm, we got up and stood up, me and him both. He was on the left side and I was on the right and so the first shot rung out and, of course, I didn't realize it was a shot, what was taking place right at that present time, and when the second one rung out, the motorcade had done got further on down Elm, and you see, I was trying to get a good look at President Kennedy. I happened to be looking right at him when that bullet hit him - the second shot.

Mr. HUDSON - No, sir. I'll tell you - this young fellow that was sitting there with me - standing there with me at the present time, he says, "lay down, Mister, somebody is shooting the President." He says, "Lay down, lay down." and he kept repeating, "Lay down." so he was already laying down one way on the sidewalk, so I just laid down over on the ground and resting my arm on the ground and when that third shot rung out and when I was close to the ground - you could tell the shot was coming from above and kind of behind.

Mr. LIEBELER - You say it was the second shot that hit him in the head?
Mr. HUDSON - Yes.
Mr. LIEBELER - What happened after the President got hit in the head, did you see what he did, what happened in the car?
Mr. HUDSON - He slumped over and Mrs. Kennedy, she climbs over in the seat with him and pulls him over.
Mr. LIEBELER - Pulled him down in the seat?
Mr. HUDSON - Pulled him over in her lap like.
Mr. LIEBELER - If you don't think the Presidentgot hit by the first shot and yoy say he got hit in the head with the second shot -
Mr. HUDSON - Yes.
Mr. LIEBELER - And if we assume that he was shot twice, you would have to say that he was hit by the third shot; isn't that right?
Mr. HUDSON - Yes.
Mr. LIEBELER - He was hit again after he got hit in the head?
Mr. HUDSON - Yes, sir.

Mr. LIEBELER - Do you think that could have been possible when Mrs. Kennedy pulled him over, do you think he could have got hit in the neck after he had been hit in the head?
Mr. HUDSON - Yes sir; I do
Mr. LIEBELER - He was still sitting far enough up in the car he could have been hit?
Mr. HUDSON - Yes, sir.


1) is this the tool shed Hudson refers to



and 2) here is Z456...  to my amazement, that sure looks like JFK sitting up in the back seat... ad now Lipsey and Kellerman's description of a shot thru the base of the neck in addition to the headshot and back...
and things get very interesting for Hudson's account...



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Hi David, thank you first for warm words.

The BDM is for sure...sure. (Kevin James humor)
I will not sound stubborn but i've examinad this Images for such a long time that
i'am sure, i'am right.
No Woman, No Children, No ape, No Dog.
Just a man behind the wall.

When i say i'am right does mean it's a progress of sometimes many years.
On this Forum are many Postings from my own who shows why i told that.

Please use the Search Button. It was pretty intelligent what i've posted sometimes.

Oops , did i told sometimes?

Best to you

Martin


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I triangulated the movement behind the retaining wall seen in the Nix film after the head shot, and a dark "puddle" seen behind the wall in the Jimmy Darnell film less than nine minutes later, and discovered that they are in almost the exact same spot.  I conclude that the Nix movement is "Black Dog Man" dropping a pop bottle in panic as she sees her husband racing up the stairs towards her.  She has already probably seen the rifle in the Depository as it ACTUALLY FIRES THE SECOND SHOT, and has thought to protect her baby by moving from her position on the top step of the concrete stairs (as seen in the Betzner-3 and Willis-5 photos), directly away from Elm Street.

I then realized that if she was standing at the location of the puddle, she must also appear in Moorman's polaroid.  Look at the Darnell frame which shows the young black man who ran up the stairs, standing with a young black woman who is holding (presumably) their baby.  Then look in the Moorman photo near the tree trunk which is behind the concrete retaining wall and see what you find.

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Hi David, thank you first for warm words.

The BDM is for sure...sure. (Kevin James humor)
I will not sound stubborn but i've examinad this Images for such a long time that
i'am sure, i'am right.
No Woman, No Children, No ape, No Dog.
Just a man behind the wall.

When i say i'am right does mean it's a progress of sometimes many years.
On this Forum are many Postings from my own who shows why i told that.

Please use the Search Button. It was pretty intelligent what i've posted sometimes.

Oops , did i told sometimes?

Best to you

Martin

I don't know if you've been around long enough to remember, but I have often complained about conspiracy researchers making up their cute little names for spectators.
The only reason I used the term Black Dog Man is because that seems to be the only way people will know which person we are talking about. I would prefer that people just start calling him the guy
behind the retaining wall. When I tried that Jack White complained and said there is no such thing as a retaining wall. I just see him as another spectator, not a person of interest.
I don't care who he was or where he came from or where he went, any more than the little old lady who calmly walks up Elm Street while everyone is running towards the grassy knoll.


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