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 December 07, 2011, 12:29:27 AM
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In between where Badgeman and Arnold are "supposed" to be is this image that looks to me as if it is right behind the wall and not back by the fence... As I have mentioned in the past, the black couple seen by Sitzman is not seen in any photograph... either she was wrong or they/he/she were BDM... No one else was seen up there. and the shapes are eerily similiar.... Thoughts? 
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December 07, 2011, 12:57:02 AM
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In between where Badgeman and Arnold are "supposed" to be is this image that looks to me as if it is right behind the wall and not back by the fence... As I have mentioned in the past, the black couple seen by Sitzman is not seen in any photograph... either she was wrong or they/he/she were BDM... No one else was seen up there. and the shapes are eerily similiar.... Thoughts? More kookspeak. If you look really really close you can see 20 monkeys in that blowup.
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December 07, 2011, 01:01:54 AM
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More kookspeak. If you look really really close you can see 20 monkeys in that blowup.
Maybe if YOU look really close and take more of your meds....  Are you actually saying that your old eyes cannot see the similiarities between the image in moorman and the BDM image from Betzner right below it? I've been thru your "digital collection" Anthony - you don't remember what's in there do you? the number of speculative images and writings you have in there is staggering and quite entertaining... So tell me AM... the bench is just to the right of the BDM image... where is the black couple?
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December 07, 2011, 02:11:31 AM
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I agree, BDM = Woman + Baby A useful gif Alan Healy did a couple of years back during a Lancer discussion: As a guest, you are not allowed to view links.
Register or LoginThe black woman and baby appear in several images taken post-assassination. In Darnell, they can be seen behind that wall in the company of the black man who was standing beside Emmett Hudson during the shooting - and who is seen dashing up the steps immediately after the headshot.
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December 07, 2011, 11:30:17 AM
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December 07, 2011, 12:03:20 PM
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and would this be the same man as seen with Hudson on the steps and in the Darnell footage behind the retaining wall ? 
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December 07, 2011, 05:55:51 PM
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Thanks everyone...
Yet... I still have a problem with what Sitzman says as it relates to these TWO people... no baby... and where they were at the time of the shots...Sitzman: Some ran ... I mean ... I finally got back up to the alcove. There was bunches of people just swarming back there, and I think almost everybody on that hill ran back up that way. And another thing that I remember this day: there was a colored couple. I figure they were between 18 and 21, a boy and a girl, sitting on a bench, just almost, oh, parallel with me, on my right side, close to the fence. Thompson: In other words, between you and the fence, there's a tree right next to the ... Sitzman: There's a tree, and there's another part of the marble or concrete, whatever they call it, slab, fence, whatever they call it, between that and the wooden fence. Thompson: Which direction was the bench facing when you ... Sitzman: It was facing towards the street. Thompson: Towards the street. Parallel? Downstreet? Facing forward? Sitzman: And they were eating their lunch, 'cause they had little lunch sacks, and they were drinking coke. The main reason I remember 'em is, after the last shot I recall hearing and the car went down under the triple underpass there, I heard a crash of glass, and I looked over there, and the kids had thrown down their coke bottles, just threw them down and just started running towards the back and I ... Of course, I don't see anything unusual in that because everybody else was running that way, 'cause when I look over on my left side, the people on the hill were all running back the same way too.I did a bit more work on the image and I think the "baby" area is simply light from behind...
Does it makes sense that the BDM entity would walk back to the bench as the limo was arriving.. probably not... so Sitzman seing them sitting there MAY coincide with what Rosemary sees... BDM quickly disappearing, falling to its left, or right back toward the bench...
I do not think the couple posted were even a couple.. do you know they were together?... and that BDM was either one or both of this black couple, no baby... who, after the shots, went back to the bench...
By lookin gat this enhancement and the first I posted, you can see how the "baby" is really the light behind this image... at least that's what I see right this second...
Again, is there any proof that there was freshly broken glass behind the wall near this bench?
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December 08, 2011, 08:26:42 PM
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Duncan, Gerda, this is a very good find. It could be linked with Lee Bowers testimony. Where to get the darnell film ?
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December 08, 2011, 09:00:25 PM
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Yet... I still have a problem with what Sitzman says as it relates to these TWO people... no baby... and where they were at the time of the shots...[/color]
Sitzman's attention would have been riveted on the motorcade during the shooting. She noticed these two adults before and after the shooting. The baby may not have been visible to her as the couple were sitting on the bench. Marilyn didn't notice - why would she? - that the man then went down a few steps to get a better look at JFK. By the time Sitzman snapped out of it and became aware of her surroundings again (see her Sixth Floor Museum Oral History on this aspect), the man had dashed back up to his wife/partner and child. Presumably the young woman was responsible for either dropping or knocking over the coke bottle whose smash Sitzman heard.
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December 08, 2011, 09:16:03 PM
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Sitzman's attention would have been riveted on the motorcade during the shooting. She noticed these two adults before and after the shooting. The baby may not have been visible to her as the couple were sitting on the bench. Marilyn didn't notice - why would she? - that the man then went down a few steps to get a better look at JFK. By the time Sitzman snapped out of it and became aware of her surroundings again (see her Sixth Floor Museum Oral History on this aspect), the man had dashed back up to his wife/partner and child. Presumably the young woman was responsible for either dropping or knocking over the coke bottle whose smash Sitzman heard.
Interestng thoughts Sean yet the way Hudson tells it... it doesn't sound like they are the same person... that this man wa alone and with Hudson well before hand. Cheers DJ Mr. LIEBELER - So, you were standing about where I placed the "X" on photograph No. 18 of Commission Exhibit No. 875. Tell me what you saw - tell me what happened to the best of your recollection. Mr. HUDSON - Well there was a young fellow, oh, I would judge his age about in his late twenties. He said he had been looking for a place to park and he walked up there and he said he finally just taken a place over there in one of them parking lots, and he come on down there and said he worked over there on Industrial and me and him both just sat there first on those steps. When the motorcade turned off of Houston onto Elm, we got up and stood up, me and him both. He was on the left side and I was on the right and so the first shot rung out and, of course, I didn't realize it was a shot, what was taking place right at that present time, and when the second one rung out, the motorcade had done got further on down Elm, and you see, I was trying to get a good look at President Kennedy. I happened to be looking right at him when that bullet hit him - the second shot. Mr. LIEBELER - That was when the bullet hit him in the head; is that correct? Mr. HUDSON - Yes; it looked like it ht him somewhere along about a little bit behind the ear and a little bit above the ear. Mr. LIEBELER - On the right-hand side or the left-hand side? Mr. HUDSON - Right hand.
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December 09, 2011, 06:27:18 AM
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Maybe if YOU look really close and take more of your meds.... Are you actually saying that your old eyes cannot see the similiarities between the image in moorman and the BDM image from Betzner right below it? I've been thru your "digital collection" Anthony - you don't remember what's in there do you? the number of speculative images and writings you have in there is staggering and quite entertaining... So tell me AM... the bench is just to the right of the BDM image... where is the black couple? Not everything on my Web site was authored by me. You got any examples? I don't care where the black couple was. I know Black Dog Man was one person, a white man in a black suit. I don't really care who he was.
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December 09, 2011, 06:44:19 PM
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Not everything on my Web site was authored by me. You got any examples?
I don't care where the black couple was. I know Black Dog Man was one person, a white man in a black suit. I don't really care who he was.
you know this beyond all doubt HOW again Anthony? and if so, where are the black couple on the bench? anyone sitting there would have their head ans shoulders well above the wall yet there is not a single image of them anywhere... I thought for a while it was Hudson as he walked down from the toolshed...  but I am told he really is next to this man further down the steps at the time... not exactly a convincing image of Hudwon on the steps...  This was offered on your site for proof of BDM... not yours, do you believe that we see him in this frame? 
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