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Helen Markham, in a statement given to the FBI's Bardwell Odum, said that the shooting of Tippit occurred "possibly around 1:30".  This statement was given to Odum on the afternoon of Saturday, November 23rd.  The point is, many CT's like to use Markham's 1:06 time estimate as if it were fact.  I say that the woman was simply confused as to the exact time and it is silly to rely on her as far as what time the shooting occurred.

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Helen Markham, in a statement given to the FBI's Bardwell Odum, said that the shooting of Tippit occurred "possibly around 1:30".  This statement was given to Odum on the afternoon of Saturday, November 23rd.  The point is, many CT's like to use Markham's 1:06 time estimate as if it were fact.  I say that the woman was simply confused as to the exact time and it is silly to rely on her as far as what time the shooting occurred.

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You have the facts all mixed up. FBI agent Odum reported that Helen Markham estimated the time of the shooting as 1:30 p.m. The report lacks the signature of Markham and contains no indication that she saw the report prior to filing.

Now do you want to discuss the FBI report on an interview of a witness that asserts President Kennedy stood up in the limo after the shooting started?

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You have the facts all mixed up. FBI agent Odum reported that Helen Markham estimated the time of the shooting as 1:30 p.m. The report lacks the signature of Markham and contains no indication that she saw the report prior to filing.

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Odum said that Markham furnished the following information... that the time of the Tippit shooting was "possibly around 1:30".


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Another confused witness.  cop, Bill, you're like a fricking broken record. Don't you have enough imagination to come up with anything new?

Do you think someone put LSD in Dallas's drinking water that day?


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Odum said that Markham furnished the following information... that the time of the Tippit shooting was "possibly around 1:30".

Bill - how many uncorroborated statements CAN you find to help Oswald look more guilty ?

Why not just post the Katzenback memo and be done.... 
He wasn't there, has no corroboration and wants to make sure no other investigation is undertaken and no new questions are asked...   shouldn't we just take HIS word?

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And you ever wonder why all the OSWALD DID IT statements are uncorroborated
while the "Oswald couldn't have done it alone, or at all" statements are corroborated?

Guess the WC and the LNers couldn't get more than one person to agree to something at a time... huh?    thumbs1xx



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Another confused witness.  cop, Bill, you're like a fricking broken record. Don't you have enough imagination to come up with anything new?

Do you think someone put LSD in Dallas's drinking water that day?

A witness states that the Tippit shooting occurred "probably around 1:30", and then later states that the shooting occurred around "1:06".  Is it your opinion that the witness is NOT confused, as to the actual time that the shooting occurred?


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And you ever wonder why all the OSWALD DID IT statements are uncorroborated
while the "Oswald couldn't have done it alone, or at all" statements are corroborated?




Are you sure David?
Let's look at NINE innocent civilians who identified Lee Harvey Oswald with a Revolver at the Tippit crime scene.


Mr. BELIN - What did you see then?
Mr. BENAVIDES - I then pulled on up and I seen this officer standing by the door. The door was open to the car, and I was pretty close to him, and I seen Oswald, or the man that shot him, standing on the other side of the car.


Mr. BELIN. Did you see anything else as you heard her screaming?
Mrs. V DAVIS. Well, we saw Oswald. We didn't know it was Oswald at the time. We saw that boy cut across the lawn emptying the shells out of the gun.

Mr. BALL. Did you recognize anyone in that room?
Mrs. B DAVIS. Yes, sir. I recognized number 2.

Mr. CALLAWAY. No. And he said, "We want to be sure, we want to try to wrap him up real tight on killing this officer. We think he is the same one that shot the President. But if we can wrap him up tight on killing this officer, we have got him." So they brought four men in.
I stepped to the back of the room, so I could kind of see him from the same distance which I had seen him before. And when he came out, I knew him.
Mr. BALL. You mean he looked like the same man?
Mr. CALLAWAY. Yes.

Mr. BALL. Then what did you do?
Mr. GUINYARD. I was looking--trying to see and after I heard the third shot, then Oswald came through on Patton running---came right through the yard in front of the big white house---there's a big two-story white house---there's two of them there and he come through the one right on the corner of Patton.

Mr. LIEBELER. Let me show you some pictures that we have here. I show you a picture that has been marked Garner Exhibit No. 1 and ask you if that is the man that you saw going down the street on the 22d of November as you have already told us.
Mr.REYNOLDS. Yes.


Mr. BELIN. Four? Did any one of the people look anything like strike that. Did you identify anyone in the lineup?
Mr. SCOGGINS. I identified the one we are talking about, Oswald. I identified him.


RUSSELL positively identified a photograph of LEE HARVEY OSWALD, New Orleans Police Department # 112723, taken August 9, 1963, as being identical with the individual he had observed at the scene of the shooting of Dallas Police Officer J.D. TIPPIT on the afternoon of November 22, 1963, at Dallas, Texas.


Mrs. BROCK was shown a photograph of LEE HARVEY OSWALD, New Orleans PD 9 112723, dated August 9, 1963, which she identified as being the same person she observed on November 22, 1963, at Ballew's Texaco Service Station.


Maybe you would like to rethink your previous comment and don't pull that 1:07 timeline because FBI's Bardwell Odum's statement(thanks Bill) from Helen Markham the very next day has presented us with a new possibility with her 1:30 timeline which is CORROBORATED by these witnesses;

Mrs. MARY BROCK, 4310 Utah, Dallas, Texas, advised that on the afternoon of November 22, 1963, she was at the Ballew Texaco Service Station located in the 600 block of Jefferson Street, Dallas, Texas. She advised that at approximately 1:30 PM a white male described as approximately 30 years of age; 5 feet, 10 inches; light—colored complexion, wearing light clothing, came past her walking at a fast pace, wearing a light—colored jacket and with his hands in his pockets.


BEFORE ME, Patsy Collins, a Notary Public in and for said County, State of Texas, on this day personally appeared Mrs. Virginia Davis, w/m/16 [sic], of 400 E. 10th WH-3-8120 who, after being by me duly sworn, on oath deposes and says:
"Today November 22, 1963 about 1:30 pm my sister-in-law and myself were lying down in our apartment. My sister-in-law is Jeanette Davis, we live in the same house in different apartments. We heard a shot and then another shot and ran to the side door at Patton Street."


PATTERSON advised that at approximately 1:30 PM, he was standing on JONNY REYNOLDS' used car lot together with L.J. LEWIS and HAROLD RUSSELL when they heard shots coming from the vicinity of 10th and Patton Avenue, Dallas, Texas.


ROBERT BROCK, 4310 Utah, Dallas, Texas, advised that on November 22, 1963, he was employed as a mechanic at Roger Ballew Texaco Service Station, 600 Jefferson Street, Dallas, Texas. He advised that at approximately 1:30 PM, November 22, 1963, a young white man passed him, BROCK and his wife, and proceeded north past the Texaco Service Station into the parking lot, at which time the individual disappeared.



Mr. DULLES. What time was this, approximately, as far as you can recall?
Mr. SCOGGINS. Around 1:20 in the afternoon.
Mr. BELIN. All right. Will you please state then what happened, what you saw, what you did, what you heard?
Mr. SCOGGINS. Well, I first seen the police car cruising east.


This is the very definition of corroboration and gives Oswald ample time to get to Tippit!






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This is the very definition of corroboration and gives Oswald ample time to get to Tippit!

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And you ever wonder why all the OSWALD DID IT statements are uncorroborated
while the "Oswald couldn't have done it alone, or at all" statements are corroborated?




I have never wondered this because its not true.


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So Helen is more reliable than TF Bowley, who was on his way to pick up his wife from work and looked at his watch?

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I have never wondered this because its not true.
Yeah She missed her bus every day !. but only just.


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Helen Markham, in a statement given to the FBI's Bardwell Odum, said that the shooting of Tippit occurred "possibly around 1:30".  This statement was given to Odum on the afternoon of Saturday, November 23rd.  The point is, many CT's like to use Markham's 1:06 time estimate as if it were fact.  I say that the woman was simply confused as to the exact time and it is silly to rely on her as far as what time the shooting occurred.

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Yet another person is "mistaken" in Bill's mind!  How easy things are when you can just call everyone who disagrees with you "mistaken", huh?



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