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"After the shooting, Dallas Police officer Joe M. Smith encountered another suspicious man in the lot behind the picket fence [on the grassy knoll]. Smith told the Warren Commission that when he drew his pistol and approached the man, the man "showed [Smith] that he was a Secret Service agent." ...JFK Lancer

Seymour Weitzman also reported encountering men who displayed a badge and identified themselves as  Secret Service agents. But according to Secret Service Chief James Rowley and agents at the scene, all Secret Service personnel stayed with the motorcade, as required by regulations, and none was stationed in the railroad parking lot [behind the grassy knoll]. It thus appeared that someone was carrying fraudulent Secret Service credentials--of no perceptible use to anyone but an escaping assassin. (Scheim 30-31) ...JFK Lancer

Don Cook began filming in the car lot approximately 2-3 minutes after the shooting stopped according to Richard Trask. This would coincide with the arrival of others such as Joe Smith and Seymour Weitzman.  Joe Smith also stated that one of the individuals that showed a badge looked like an auto mechanic with dirty fingernails.  Weitzman later identified Barney Barker as most closely matching the individual he saw.  Barker was mostly bald with heavy horn rimmed glasses.

The scene shown is on the far west end of the parking lot adjacent to the railroad track and not far from where the triple underpass and picket fence intersect.  The film footage was collected from the cutting room floor and saved by Cook.
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This is a composite drawing of a man that confronted Malcolm Summers in the parking lot behind the picket fence.  Summers described the man at a symposium a few years after the assassination


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« Last Edit: December 14, 2011, 12:49:33 AM by Wes Riddle »

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This is a composite drawing of a man that confronted Malcolm Summers in the parking lot behind the picket fence.  Summers described the man at a symposium a few years after the assassination

Kind of looks like the mystery man who picks up the bullet near the manhole cover....



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Hello everybody. Longtime lurker, first posting.

I may have spotted another of the parking lot FOA's ('Figure of Authority').

Disclaimer: as with all film/photo identifications, this could be nothing ... just a banker out for a stroll on his lunch hour.

In the photo's I've attached, we see him moving westwards on Main, roughly parallel to the limo.  We lose him briefly in Willis & Bond, but I believe him to be hidden behind the guys on the lampost.

In Bell, we clearly see him emerge from behind the guy in the white cap and move northwards on Huston. Then I lose him.

We can maybe get a bit more detail on this guy in Myers-level Hughes frames or those killer new Bell frames, neither of which I have access to, unfortunately.

Sorry about the crap frames, but that's all I have to work with. I'd encourage people to view the un-cropped photos on Robin Unger's excellent site.

Whoever this guy is, he's moving towards the TSBD well before the shooting starts. If a member of the sheriff's dept., he is ignoring orders to stay put in front of their entrance on Main and face outwards towards the motorcade.

He seems tall, wears glasses and can be ID'd by the neat hankie in his left breast pocket.








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« Last Edit: December 17, 2011, 01:10:02 AM by Andy Alfridi »

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That could certainly be Varona. The tight mouth especially  seems quite similar.
Bud Culligan's statements need some parsing (Varona died in '92 I believe, not '64 in Gautamala) but he's trying to convey something in that multi-layered, plausibly deniable manner so typical of the intel crowd.

Whoever this guy is, he seems identical (from the rear) to the guy in Bronson2 I've outlined below.
Couldn't find a full color un-cropped version.



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Welcome to the forum Andy.  In the Altgens 4 photo that you posted there is a man to the left that seems to be tipping his hat.  That person was identified by researcher James Richards as CIA man "Rip" Robertson" .  He is next seen interrogating Howard Brennen in a Murray photo three minutes after the shooting before police arrived.  Wes


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I'm surprised that Richards withdrew his ID of Robertson. It's certainly stronger than O'Hare/Bishop.
I think he's dead wrong about Morales on the lampost, but I'll get into that in a seperate thread.
Others may disagree, but I think the key to solving this thing - at least on an operational level - is John Martino. Robertson, Morales & Varona certainly fall within his circle.




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Very good stabilization Gerda

That camera was flopping around all over the place.




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Welcome to the forum Andy.  In the Altgens 4 photo that you posted there is a man to the left that seems to be tipping his hat.  That person was identified by researcher James Richards as CIA man "Rip" Robertson" .  He is next seen interrogating Howard Brennen in a Murray photo three minutes after the shooting before police arrived.  Wes

Wes,

Sorry, guy. "Rip Robertson" is next seen in the large Cancellare photo, walking north across the grass on the south side of Elm Street with the same guy he'd been standing with on Houston Street and with a skinny black guy, as well.  Then, a few seconds later we see them, from behind, in the Robert Hughes film  as they are approaching the curb on the south side of Elm Street.  Then the next time we see them is possibly in the parking lot and definitely in front of the Dal-Tex Building listening to Howard Brennan in the Murray photo.
 
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