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 "After the shooting, Dallas Police officer Joe M. Smith encountered another suspicious man in the lot behind the picket fence [on the grassy knoll]. Smith told the Warren Commission that when he drew his pistol and approached the man, the man "showed [Smith] that he was a Secret Service agent." ...JFK Lancer Seymour Weitzman also reported encountering men who displayed a badge and identified themselves as Secret Service agents. But according to Secret Service Chief James Rowley and agents at the scene, all Secret Service personnel stayed with the motorcade, as required by regulations, and none was stationed in the railroad parking lot [behind the grassy knoll]. It thus appeared that someone was carrying fraudulent Secret Service credentials--of no perceptible use to anyone but an escaping assassin. (Scheim 30-31) ...JFK Lancer Don Cook began filming in the car lot approximately 2-3 minutes after the shooting stopped according to Richard Trask. This would coincide with the arrival of others such as Joe Smith and Seymour Weitzman. Joe Smith also stated that one of the individuals that showed a badge looked like an auto mechanic with dirty fingernails. Weitzman later identified Barney Barker as most closely matching the individual he saw. Barker was mostly bald with heavy horn rimmed glasses. The scene shown is on the far west end of the parking lot adjacent to the railroad track and not far from where the triple underpass and picket fence intersect. The film footage was collected from the cutting room floor and saved by Cook. Photo..Gerda Dunckel
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December 03, 2011, 06:00:48 PM
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"After the shooting, Dallas Police officer Joe M. Smith encountered another suspicious man in the lot behind the picket fence [on the grassy knoll]. Smith told the Warren Commission that when he drew his pistol and approached the man, the man "showed [Smith] that he was a Secret Service agent." ...JFK Lancer Seymour Weitzman also reported encountering men who displayed a badge and identified themselves as Secret Service agents. But according to Secret Service Chief James Rowley and agents at the scene, all Secret Service personnel stayed with the motorcade, as required by regulations, and none was stationed in the railroad parking lot [behind the grassy knoll]. It thus appeared that someone was carrying fraudulent Secret Service credentials--of no perceptible use to anyone but an escaping assassin. (Scheim 30-31) ...JFK Lancer Don Cook began filming in the car lot approximately 2-3 minutes after the shooting stopped according to Richard Trask. This would coincide with the arrival of others such as Joe Smith and Seymour Weitzman. Joe Smith also stated that one of the individuals that showed a badge looked like an auto mechanic with dirty fingernails. Weitzman later identified Barney Barker as most closely matching the individual he saw. Barker was mostly bald with heavy horn rimmed glasses. The scene shown is on the far west end of the parking lot adjacent to the railroad track and not far from where the triple underpass and picket fence intersect. The film footage was collected from the cutting room floor and saved by Cook. Photo..Gerda Dunckel Wes This is the Clip. To me it looks that the men just wave away the people. Maybe somebody from the Sheriffs' Office or some other official:  or click on the thumbnail below: As a guest, you are not allowed to view links.
Register or Login ETA: the above clip was taken by Don Cook KTVT-TV The scene near the top of the triple underpass was by Don Cook of KTVT-TV. Contrary to popular opinion, the KTVT news film was never going to be thrown away. It was kept by their chief photographer, Roy Cooper, without the knowledge or permission of KTVT. His heirs later donated the original films, several hours in total, to The Sixth Floor Museum.
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December 05, 2011, 02:03:41 PM
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If we assume Trask is correct and the above footage was taken just 2 or 3 minutes after the assassination, how come that there were already officials there who felt they should prevent people from swarming the parking lot ? Curry said on the radio that he wanted someone up there, on the triple overpass. Who were these guys ? I count four of them in the above film. The parking lot was used by the Sheriffs department mainly, as far as I understand, it was reserved for them, at least a part of it. Then we have the Long Coat guys, at least two, but that was probably later, when Hughes and Cook shot their films. 
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December 05, 2011, 08:34:16 PM
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Gerda, As I recall Darnell, Cook , and a few others left the caravan before it got on the Stemmons Freeway and chose to rush back to Dealy Plaza. Cook and Darnell were some of the first photographers on the scene in the car lot. Trask was invovlved in an assassination special that showed some of this film that would have otherwise have been thrown away. Seymour Weitzman said that he was the second person to climb over the corner fence near the triple underpass right after the motor cycle cop. In an interview later he stated that one of the men he saw closely matched a picture of Bernard Barker.  CIA sniper, "Bud" Culligan stated that a cuban born hitman Tony Varona was part of a three man hit team.  I think that the bald man with glasses at the beginning of this thread could be the guy that Weitzman and Officer Smith were referring to.
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December 05, 2011, 10:07:19 PM
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Wes I don't know who shot that footage above, I have a short clip on my hd somewhere. I will have to look for it. ETA: This is the Clip. To me it looks that the men just wave away the people. Maybe somebody from the Sheriffs' Office or some other official: or click on the thumbnail below: As a guest, you are not allowed to view links.
Register or LoginThe camera man obviously stopped filming because, through the "suit" on the right was walking menacingly straight towards him through a big rain puddle! --Thomas 
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December 06, 2011, 01:12:37 AM
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Gerda, As I recall Darnell, Cook , and a few others left the caravan before it got on the Stemmons Freeway and chose to rush back to Dealy Plaza. Cook and Darnell were some of the first photographers on the scene in the car lot. Trask was invovlved in an assassination special that showed some of this film that would have otherwise have been thrown away. Seymour Weitzman said that he was the second person to climb over the corner fence near the triple underpass right after the motor cycle cop. In an interview later he stated that one of the men he saw closely matched a picture of Bernard Barker. CIA sniper, "Bud" Culligan stated that a cuban born hitman Tony Varona was part of a three man hit team. I think that the bald man with glasses at the beginning of this thread could be the guy that Weitzman and Officer Smith were referring to. very interesting, Wes! did you find "Barker" in any other photo or film ? this man looks a bit like Tony Varona: 
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December 06, 2011, 01:49:25 AM
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If we assume Trask is correct and the above footage was taken just 2 or 3 minutes after the assassination, how come that there were already officials there who felt they should prevent people from swarming the parking lot ? Curry said on the radio that he wanted someone up there, on the triple overpass. Who were these guys ? I count four of them in the above film. The parking lot was used by the Sheriffs department mainly, as far as I understand, it was reserved for them, at least a part of it. Then we have the Long Coat guys, at least two, but that was probably later, when Hughes and Cook shot their films. The problem with the Oliver Stone dramatization is that when Joe Smith confronted the guy with the Secret Service identification there were no other people in that area behind the fence. The crowd did not go up there for at least 90 seconds.
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December 06, 2011, 12:36:41 PM
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Gerda, Very Interesting comparison. Whose film did you pull that image from? Wes  It is on the DVD "The Story Behind The Story", I don't know who shot that footage or when it was taken. Here is a link to it (hope it works)  As a guest, you are not allowed to view links.
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December 06, 2011, 06:41:34 PM
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1) nobody's walking "menacingly" toward anyone.
2) they are not waving anyone away, just pointing at something
3)"Weitzman later identified Barney Barker as most closely matching the individual he saw. Barker was mostly bald with heavy horn rimmed glasses."
when was this ID made? 10 years + afterwards?
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December 06, 2011, 08:30:31 PM
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3)"Weitzman later identified Barney Barker as most closely matching the individual he saw. Barker was mostly bald with heavy horn rimmed glasses."
when was this ID made? 10 years + afterwards?
And Yet...we have an individual that matches Weitzman's description "on film" in the railroad yard near the picket fence 2-3 minutes after shots were fired. If you
are able to identifiy this man or show that he walked from another area, so be it, but I still consider him to be a person of interest until proven otherwise. Wes
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