James Altgens said he was about 15 feet from JFK during the 313. I also note that he is in the grass as the limo passed. Am I reading this correctly? Was Altgens in the street at the time of the head shot, or am I reading this incorrectly?
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Mike -
Suprised you bring this up... with Altgens not in frame at 313... nor even close to the limo at this point... he is claiming that at z255, his photo, the limo was 30-40 feet away
at z313 the limo is now 15 feet away... 58 frames... 18.3fps = 3.17 seconds
Point 1 - Altgens is no where near 15 feet from the limo in the Z film... (his distances are to the photographic subject... JFK... not the front of the limo btw....
Point 2 - Brehm corroborates the short movement of the limo from shot to shot...
BREHM expressed his opinion that between the first and third shots, the President's car only seemed to move 10 or 12 feet. It seemed to him that the automobile almost came to a halt after the first shot, but of this he is not certain. After the third shot, the car in which the President was riding increased its speed and went under the freeway overpass and out of his sight. Point 3 - for the limo to move 15 feet in 3.17 seconds it must travel at 3.2 mph... which is barely moving at all for a full 3 seconds
Point 4 - if Altgens is not even close to the limo at z313.....
what is he talking about? as Anthony posted... at z340 he's just about getting there.... and if you followed the Purvis/Davidson threads they conclude that most everything that happened, happened another 30-40 feet down the street than where the Zfilm shows it...
Opened up quite a can of worms with Altgens' "15 feet" statement....
Mr. ALTGENS - You will see by then referring to picture No. 354, that the Presidential car was well down Elm Street in front of a tree that is located in a grassy area which is just off of Elm Street and just off of the street that runs down in front of the Book Depository Building, which would indicate that the point at which he was struck, the location of the car, would be approximately 30 feet in front of the position from which I made this picture. Does that make sense?
Mr. LIEBELER - Yes; what you are saying is that picture 203 was taken at a time when the President's car had actually gone down Elm Street to a point past this tree that stands at the corner here, in the grassy area, outlined by Elm Street and a little street that runs down by the Texas School Book Depository Building?
Mr. ALTGENS - Yes, sir.
Mr. LIEBELER - Now, the thing that is troubling me, though, Mr. Altgens, is that you say the car was 30 feet away at the time you took Commission Exhibit No. 203 and that is the time at which the first shot was fired?
Mr. ALTGENS - Yes, sir.
Mr. LIEBELER - And that it was 15 feet away at the time the third shot was fired.
Mr. ALTGENS - Yes, sir.
Mr. LIEBELER - But during that period of time the car moved much more than 15 feet down Elm Street going down toward the triple underpass?
Mr. ALTGENS - Yes, sir.
Mr. LIEBELER - I don't know how many feet it moved, but it moved quite a ways from the time the first shot was fired until the time the third shot was fired. I'm having trouble on this Exhibit No. 203 understanding how you could have been within 30 feet of the President's car when you took Commission Exhibit No. 203 and within 15 feet of the car when he was hit with the last shot in the head without having moved yourself. Now, you have previously indicated that you were right beside the President's car when he was hit in the head.
Mr. ALTGENS - Well, I was about 15 feet from it.
Mr. LIEBELER - But it was almost directly in front of you as it went down the street; isn't that right?
Mr. ALTGENS - Yes.
I love it when the lawyers have so much trouble with the answers... means we're finally getting closer to the truth...
