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First post and I am genuinely undecided about JFK's assassination. I have researched as much as I can and have really enjoyed the debate here for a while now.

I am leaning to the conclusion (without great conviction) that Oswald was the lone shooter and the reason for all the conspiracy theories is that the whole aftermath was simply botched by inept police, a panicked government and shoddy investigators and that leaves plenty of room open for holes in the case. Maybe he was coerced into doing it, but was still the lone gunman. Only leaning and open minded about other theories. Not convinced either way yet.

I do have a few questions and forgive me if they have been answered somewhere here before (which I assume thay have).

1. If Oswald didn't do it, or was part of a team and he was set up as a self proclaimed patsy, why didn't he use his brief time in front of the press to "out" people? Maybe they threatened his family?

2. Why would Oswald choose the escape route he did after the assassination? If you had just shot the president why walk down a street in clear view? Did he think he had gotten away unseen?

3. I have seen a report claiming the Zapruder tape a fake (or that it has been altered) claiming a lack of "pincushioning". Can those that believe it is genuine refute that? It seems as though it has been dismissed, as if it were proven it would be bigger news that it appears to be.

4. Was Oswald stupid, careless or simply had no fear of being caught to leave the shell casings on the 6th floor of the place where he worked? Could they have been planted I guess is the counter argument.

5. Did Oswald just get lucky in hitting the president or was it a relatively straight forward shot? If it was an easy shot why did the first miss by so much?

Thanks for having a look. Not a troll - this whole thing fascinates me. I doubt we'll ever know the whole truth.

 




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I know these are basic questions and far below what most of you now discuss.

Last one.

How did the police get a description of Oswald almost immediately after the shooting? Who gave it? No-one saw him did they?


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I know these are basic questions and far below what most of you now discuss.

Last one.

How did the police get a description of Oswald almost immediately after the shooting? Who gave it? No-one saw him did they?
Ashley welcome to the forum. Don't lean too much either way and try hard to keep your balance as you can easily fall for many stories and theories. Those questions you asked may remained unanswered or answered to your satisfaction. Getting a straight answer here is not the norm. If it were we wouldn't be here. Well some of us anyways. rofl


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Hi all,

First post and I am genuinely undecided about JFK's assassination. I have researched as much as I can and have really enjoyed the debate here for a while now.

I am leaning to the conclusion (without great conviction) that Oswald was the lone shooter and the reason for all the conspiracy theories is that the whole aftermath was simply botched by inept police, a panicked government and shoddy investigators and that leaves plenty of room open for holes in the case. Maybe he was coerced into doing it, but was still the lone gunman. Only leaning and open minded about other theories. Not convinced either way yet.

I do have a few questions and forgive me if they have been answered somewhere here before (which I assume thay have).

1. If Oswald didn't do it, or was part of a team and he was set up as a self proclaimed patsy, why didn't he use his brief time in front of the press to "out" people? Maybe they threatened his family?

2. Why would Oswald choose the escape route he did after the assassination? If you had just shot the president why walk down a street in clear view? Did he think he had gotten away unseen?

3. I have seen a report claiming the Zapruder tape a fake (or that it has been altered) claiming a lack of "pincushioning". Can those that believe it is genuine refute that? It seems as though it has been dismissed, as if it were proven it would be bigger news that it appears to be.

4. Was Oswald stupid, careless or simply had no fear of being caught to leave the shell casings on the 6th floor of the place where he worked? Could they have been planted I guess is the counter argument.

5. Did Oswald just get lucky in hitting the president or was it a relatively straight forward shot? If it was an easy shot why did the first miss by so much?

Thanks for having a look. Not a troll - this whole thing fascinates me. I doubt we'll ever know the whole truth.

 




Oswald had no escape route or plan. He left $179 with Marina and only kept $13 for himself, enough for one week.
He went home and then went out for a walk when a cop confronted him. He panicked and killed the cop.
He only ducked into the theater to hide.

I have proved that the Zapruder FILM is authentic. All the aleration theories are garbage. You can read some of the old threads here.
I doubt that Oswald fired any shots. The TSBD shooter would WANT to leave behind evidence to frame Oswald.


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How did the police get a description of Oswald almost immediately after the shooting? Who gave it? No-one saw him did they?
Howard Brennan and Amos Euins

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The CT leaves behind far more serious questions than it answers. Questions the CT community likes to ignore entirely, while they make up "evidence" of their conspiracy in other ways and concentrate on it instead. You know, basic questions like how an assassin got up to the 6th floor, with a rifle, killed the President, then escaped, without detection. How did they pull that one off? Its not like they would have had time or oportunity to case the building out before hand, is it?

You are correct that the entire initial investigation was badly botched, which is a large part of the reason why we are all here today. Dallas PD and the State of Texas fought for control of the evidence for a few days, against the FBI, the SS, etc., and the evidence collected passed through the hands of multiple police agencies within just a week or so, and we all know how efficient our government is when it gets involved in pretty much anything.
The medical evidence was botched too...we have Parkland staff who saw a hole in his throat and 1 in his head. They missed the back wound. Everything they said was based on 2 wounds. Then we have Bethesda, they saw the back wound and the head wound, and did not know about the throat wound until the next day. Everythng they said was based on 2 wounds as well, but a different set.
You have to wonder, how it could go so wrong, but really thats all it is a case of, its not a big cover up like s many claim it is.


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"Part of the reason why we avoided talking about this thing, because every time you say something, somebody misinterprets what you say."
-James. J. Humes, excerpt of ARRB statement, 2-13-96

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God knows


Welcome to the forums Ashely.
Logic is only the beginning of wisdom.


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Welcome Ashley...

There are a number of good sites and books to explore both sides of the discussion... the photograph/video section is especially good on this forum...

Manchester's book is interesting, early and it doesn't let the security/investigative details off the hook...
The Warren Commission Report is something often overlooked and not either read or even investigated fully...  there are a number of good, indexed sites (Mary Ferrell's, History-matters, etc.) where you can follow the text and investigate the testimony and exhibits...
  I do not see the point of reading ABOUT the WCR conclusions and evidence when you can go right to the source....  Posner, Myers, Bugliosi, et al are only reiterating what was already presented.... 
JFK and the Unspeakable
Crossfire
Rush To Judgement
On the Trail of the JFK Assassins will give you a historical look at one journalist's quest for info on the assassination...
For historical perspective, some Peter Dale Scott...
You might find Fonzi's Last Investigation interesting along with the Lopez report...
and at As a guest, you are not allowed to view links. Register or Login you will find a wide variety of reviews, articles
As a guest, you are not allowed to view links. Register or Login will give you all Oswald all the time...  excellent source of material supporting the Oswald did it conclusion....

and it goes on and on...  I hope you will find answering your questions and the new questions that arise from the process an enjoyable journey...

Many of your questions ask for an opinion that would hopefully include some level of supporting documentation....
Plus, the questions have unsupported conclusions in them to begin with:

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5. Did Oswald just get lucky in hitting the president or was it a relatively straight forward shot? If it was an easy shot why did the first miss by so much?


Without first putting Oswald in that window you have him getting lucky, AND missing the first shot.
The WCR couldn't even tell which of the shots missed

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From the initial findings that (a) one shot passed through the
President’s neck and then most probably passed through the Governor’s
body, (b) a subsequent shot penetrated the President’s head, (c) no
other shot struck any part of the automobile, and (d) three shots were
fired, it follows that one shot probably missed the car and its occupants.
The evidence is inconclusive as to whether it was the first,
second, or third shot which missed.


So before coming to conclusions, or asking questions with conclusions built in...  you may wish to review the WCR and see what the LNer argument is based upon
and make up your own mind

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Hi all,

First post and I am genuinely undecided about JFK's assassination. I have researched as much as I can and have really enjoyed the debate here for a while now.

I am leaning to the conclusion (without great conviction) that Oswald was the lone shooter and the reason for all the conspiracy theories is that the whole aftermath was simply botched by inept police, a panicked government and shoddy investigators and that leaves plenty of room open for holes in the case. Maybe he was coerced into doing it, but was still the lone gunman. Only leaning and open minded about other theories. Not convinced either way yet.

I do have a few questions and forgive me if they have been answered somewhere here before (which I assume thay have).

1. If Oswald didn't do it, or was part of a team and he was set up as a self proclaimed patsy, why didn't he use his brief time in front of the press to "out" people? Maybe they threatened his family?

2. Why would Oswald choose the escape route he did after the assassination? If you had just shot the president why walk down a street in clear view? Did he think he had gotten away unseen?

3. I have seen a report claiming the Zapruder tape a fake (or that it has been altered) claiming a lack of "pincushioning". Can those that believe it is genuine refute that? It seems as though it has been dismissed, as if it were proven it would be bigger news that it appears to be.

4. Was Oswald stupid, careless or simply had no fear of being caught to leave the shell casings on the 6th floor of the place where he worked? Could they have been planted I guess is the counter argument.

5. Did Oswald just get lucky in hitting the president or was it a relatively straight forward shot? If it was an easy shot why did the first miss by so much?

Thanks for having a look. Not a troll - this whole thing fascinates me. I doubt we'll ever know the whole truth.

 





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Hi all,

First post and I am genuinely undecided about JFK's assassination. I have researched as much as I can and have really enjoyed the debate here for a while now.

I am leaning to the conclusion (without great conviction) that Oswald was the lone shooter and the reason for all the conspiracy theories is that the whole aftermath was simply botched by inept police, a panicked government and shoddy investigators and that leaves plenty of room open for holes in the case. Maybe he was coerced into doing it, but was still the lone gunman. Only leaning and open minded about other theories. Not convinced either way yet.

I do have a few questions and forgive me if they have been answered somewhere here before (which I assume thay have).

1. If Oswald didn't do it, or was part of a team and he was set up as a self proclaimed patsy, why didn't he use his brief time in front of the press to "out" people? Maybe they threatened his family?

2. Why would Oswald choose the escape route he did after the assassination? If you had just shot the president why walk down a street in clear view? Did he think he had gotten away unseen?

3. I have seen a report claiming the Zapruder tape a fake (or that it has been altered) claiming a lack of "pincushioning". Can those that believe it is genuine refute that? It seems as though it has been dismissed, as if it were proven it would be bigger news that it appears to be.

4. Was Oswald stupid, careless or simply had no fear of being caught to leave the shell casings on the 6th floor of the place where he worked? Could they have been planted I guess is the counter argument.

5. Did Oswald just get lucky in hitting the president or was it a relatively straight forward shot? If it was an easy shot why did the first miss by so much?

Thanks for having a look. Not a troll - this whole thing fascinates me. I doubt we'll ever know the whole truth.

 




Have you studied the 26 volumes?  IF not, do so as that will answer a lot of your questions.


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Oswald had no escape route or plan. He left $179 with Marina and only kept $13 for himself, enough for one week.
He went home and then went out for a walk when a cop confronted him. He panicked and killed the cop.
He only ducked into the theater to hide.

I have proved that the Zapruder FILM is authentic. All the aleration theories are garbage. You can read some of the old threads here.
I doubt that Oswald fired any shots. The TSBD shooter would WANT to leave behind evidence to frame Oswald.


Now you know why I say Tony is really a LNer.  Great!  Now he has him killing JDT in addition to shooting at Walker!  Then he wonders why I don't buy that he is a CTer!



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Which officer took this description from Brennan by the way? 


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Which officer took this description from Brennan by the way? 

Inspector J H Sawyer.

Whether it was a written or verbal description that was noted, I don't know.

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