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Many interested parties on both sides of the debate often comment that "better" rifles were available ,But the main reason for settling on the Carcano was financially driven "Ossie was broke" .Not so according to C. A. Hamblen the night manager of the Western Union in Dallas according top Mr Hamblen
"Oswald" had recieved small cash amounts leading up to the assassination "10 maybe 20 dollars at a time .So there was really no need to economise
he could have shot the pres with a better class of rifle if he wanted.I can only assume he was "savin for Junes shoes".
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January 11, 2012, 11:44:06 PM
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Humes stated that the longest axis of the wound was vertical.
Wanna try measuring the autopsy photograhs of the entry into JFK's back?
Fox-5 shows an object with the relative dimensions of 4 units horizontal for 7 units vertical whose position agrees well with the autopsy face sheet produced by Boswell. Now try to deal with the shape of the wound or does comparing a 42% elongation with a 75% elongation transcend your capabilities. Or, if too difficult, contact some of the HSCA members and speak with them.
Tom
I suggest that you ask the HSCA members to explain the 7 mm by 10 mm transverse abrasion that surrounded a longitudinal hole apparently made by a bullet. Herbert P.S. After being confronted with the "abrasion collar" issue, Humes also indicated that the entry wound had one-----at the top of the wound of entry.
Yet! Every expert on the HSCA Medical Panel stated that the Abrasion Collar was located at the bottom edge of the entry wound.----A direct contradiction to a downward entry with an angle of fire from above and behind.
Humes made so many mistakes that it has fostered many of the COS conspiracy theories.
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January 12, 2012, 12:00:08 AM
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Too bad that the the autopsy photographs of the back entry wound were not entered into evidence during the Warren Commission and/or testimony of Dr. Humes.
Had they been, then they would have, as they clearly demonstrated, showed that Dr. Humes apparantely (not unlike myself) suffered CRS syndrone.
The autopsy photographs have always indicated that the 7mm width (longest axis) of the back wound of JFK was in the horizontal plane.
NOT the vertical plane.
Tom
P.S. This has little to do with the fact that Humes never examined JBC's wounds.
We are still waiting for you to show us that autopsy photographs with the longer 7 mm axis being in the horizontal plane. Herbert
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January 12, 2012, 04:51:00 PM
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Yet! Every expert on the HSCA Medical Panel stated that the Abrasion Collar was located at the bottom edge of the entry wound.----A direct contradiction to a downward entry with an angle of fire from above and behind.
The abrasion collar of the 7 mm by 10 mm wound was on the inferior, not the bottom, edge of the abrasion. This feature indicates that bullet entered on an inward and superior course. Under these circumstances the lean angle of the victim would have exceeded the declination angle of the bullet fired from above and behind. Herbert
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January 12, 2012, 06:40:10 PM
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Absolutely Bill, 100% correct. I know it, you know it, but he'll never admit it. I've noticed that one of the differences between most CTs here and the likes of us, is that on the occasion we make errors we tend to admit them and then move onward; seems like I rarely (if ever frankly) see this happen when it comes to those who wear tin foil hats.   ! I have admitted my mistakes and guess what? They are ignored and the mistake is mentioned over and over for months as IF I never said I made a mistake! No wonder we don't bother anymore as your "ilk" just ignore our acknowledgment!
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January 12, 2012, 06:41:38 PM
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What are you giving the thumbs up for Bill? I made a mistake about LBJ's car type and I admitted it right away, and guess what you did? YOU IGNORED this and kept throwing the mistake in my face. What a hypocrite you are!
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January 12, 2012, 06:41:43 PM
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! I have admitted my mistakes and guess what? They are ignored and the mistake is mentioned over and over for months as IF I never said I made a mistake! No wonder we don't bother anymore as your "ilk" just ignore our acknowledgment! Of course your mistakes are ignored. Just like everything you post is virtually ignored. Getting the hint yet?
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January 30, 2012, 11:05:52 PM
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The abrasion collar of the 7 mm by 10 mm wound was on the inferior, not the bottom, edge of the abrasion. This feature indicates that bullet entered on an inward and superior course. Under these circumstances the lean angle of the victim would have exceeded the declination angle of the bullet fired from above and behind.
Herbert
The last time that I checked: Superior------------------------------Indicates top Inferior-------------------------------Indicates bottom Those Webster Dictionaries certainly come in handy for a dumb-ass such as myself.
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January 31, 2012, 04:07:34 AM
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The abrasion collar of the 7 mm by 10 mm wound was on the inferior, not the bottom, edge of the abrasion. This feature indicates that bullet entered on an inward and superior course. Under these circumstances the lean angle of the victim would have exceeded the declination angle of the bullet fired from above and behind.
Herbert
"...was on the inferior, not the bottom, edge of the abrasion..." Seriously Herbert?
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February 09, 2012, 09:52:26 PM
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Many interested parties on both sides of the debate often comment that "better" rifles were available ,But the main reason for settling on the Carcano was financially driven "Ossie was broke" .Not so according to C. A. Hamblen the night manager of the Western Union in Dallas according top Mr Hamblen
"Oswald" had recieved small cash amounts leading up to the assassination "10 maybe 20 dollars at a time .So there was really no need to economise
he could have shot the pres with a better class of rifle if he wanted.I can only assume he was "savin for Junes shoes".
Actually! It is by far more probable that the Carcano was chosen due to the fact that it had been a common weapon throughout the Cuban revolution. And even though the majority of the weapons that made it to Cuba were of the 7.35mm caliber, there is absolutely no/zero difference in operation and firing of the Model 91/38 (6.5mm) Short Rifle, as compared with operation and firing of the Model 38 (7.35mm) Short Rifle. If one can shoot accurately with one, then he can do so with the other. Since Castro had won his revolution, his previous preference for anyone purportedly coming to his aid to BYOR (Bring Your Own Rifle), had long expired. Therefore, anyone who wanted to get into Cuba in order to make any assassination attempt against Castro, had best plan on utilization of the weapons at hand. Tom P.S. Seem to recall that someone had been tasked to attempt to smuggle in three Model 38 (7.35mm) Short Rifles. P.P.S. For those who may be unaware, an attempt (by an american) to assassinate Castro by firing from the window of a tall building, had already failed once. Resulting in the capture of the american.
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February 10, 2012, 07:26:44 AM
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Actually!
It is by far more probable that the Carcano was chosen due to the fact that it had been a common weapon throughout the Cuban revolution.
And even though the majority of the weapons that made it to Cuba were of the 7.35mm caliber, there is absolutely no/zero difference in operation and firing of the Model 91/38 (6.5mm) Short Rifle, as compared with operation and firing of the Model 38 (7.35mm) Short Rifle.
If one can shoot accurately with one, then he can do so with the other.
Since Castro had won his revolution, his previous preference for anyone purportedly coming to his aid to BYOR (Bring Your Own Rifle), had long expired.
Therefore, anyone who wanted to get into Cuba in order to make any assassination attempt against Castro, had best plan on utilization of the weapons at hand.
Tom
P.S. Seem to recall that someone had been tasked to attempt to smuggle in three Model 38 (7.35mm) Short Rifles.
P.P.S. For those who may be unaware, an attempt (by an american) to assassinate Castro by firing from the window of a tall building, had already failed once. Resulting in the capture of the american.
You keep repeating this fiction, but you can never prove that they used any Carcanos, much less that it was a favorite weapon.
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February 10, 2012, 07:39:54 PM
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Of course your mistakes are ignored. Just like everything you post is virtually ignored. Getting the hint yet?
And yet, here you are responding to me while claiming I am ignored! LOL! My fan club president can't get enough "face time" with me!
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February 24, 2012, 08:25:39 PM
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Actually!
It is by far more probable that the Carcano was chosen due to the fact that it had been a common weapon throughout the Cuban revolution.
And even though the majority of the weapons that made it to Cuba were of the 7.35mm caliber, there is absolutely no/zero difference in operation and firing of the Model 91/38 (6.5mm) Short Rifle, as compared with operation and firing of the Model 38 (7.35mm) Short Rifle.
If one can shoot accurately with one, then he can do so with the other.
Since Castro had won his revolution, his previous preference for anyone purportedly coming to his aid to BYOR (Bring Your Own Rifle), had long expired.
Therefore, anyone who wanted to get into Cuba in order to make any assassination attempt against Castro, had best plan on utilization of the weapons at hand.
Tom
P.S. Seem to recall that someone had been tasked to attempt to smuggle in three Model 38 (7.35mm) Short Rifles.
P.P.S. For those who may be unaware, an attempt (by an american) to assassinate Castro by firing from the window of a tall building, had already failed once. Resulting in the capture of the american.
From an independent, and relatively reliable "gun source", Kleins Sporting Goods was owned by the Pepsi Organization. Which, if factual, (and I believe it to be so), means-------"Incoming, run for cover"-------------message tha LHO sent to the Agency!
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