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Hey all,

First post!

I've been interested in the JFK event for the last few years but this is my first venture onto the forums. The reason I have never done so before was because I figured that anyone who knows anything about the case already knows it was a conspiracy and anyone who doesn't know it was a conspiracy doesn't know enough about the case. Either way, what's to be gained?

However, curiosity has finally got the better of me so I'm interested active members of this community what still interests them about this case and what they are hoping to gain by continuing the examine the evidence.

Edit: Only "active members" who do not support the Lone Gunman theory - spare me your ignorance, please!



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Hey, you're getting sloppy. Did you misplace your WC defender manual? You are supposed to bring up UFOs.


Hey tony baloney..why are you posting here when you have left so many posts unanswered elsewhere?  Afraid?


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"Every piece you could cite has been shown to be inaccurate or genuine.  That has to sting." - Rob Caprio

 rofl  Do you wish to word that differently?   rofl3

Of course I meant NOT genuine.  Bill, you are becoming a drag as you are quickly becoming the resident grammar police and it is a bore.  Everyone who reads this knows my position and can figure out what I meant to say, but you have to "point it out".  Didn't Denis just chastise a new CTer for mentioning grammatical and spelling errors by LNers?  He did and he said there is no place for that here, and yet, here you are again doing this!

Bill can't deal with the evidence, but he has time for this stuff.  What a  you are becoming.


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A nation that is afraid to let its people judge the truth and falsehood in an open market is a nation that is afraid of its people. -- John F. Kennedy

"Benavides- Saw Oswald kill Tippit, picked him out of a lineup." - Brian "Doesn't Know His Rear From His Back" Walker

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Hmmm....good point, Brian.  If you're Rob, that has to sting.

How convenient for Bill that Brianie responded so this set him up so perfectly for this "zinger", huh?  Was it a coincidence or an ORDER from the boss?

 


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But you said that Bush Sr. was in charge of the CIA in 1963. He was not in charge of the CIA. He was an asset, an informant, a front. Not an agent, not an officer, not the Director.
Your wording was intentionally wrong to create a false impression.


Tony, Tony, Tony, for the last time I recommend GERITOL for you!  I never said he was the director of the CIA in 1963!  Can't you read and comprehend what is said?  My only comment was in response to YOUR comment.  Bush Sr. was more than a "lowly businessman" in 1963. 

Tony, you really need to get that head checked as your ability to remember things is slipping.  YOU replied to someone else who may have said this, but I didn't.  I ONLY responded to your comment that Bush was only a "lowly businessman in 1963".

The Hoover document says he was more than an asset Tony.  I know he was NOT the director for goodness sakes.  Is this how you accomplish your task -- by spreading  about what people actually say?



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Three or four things to discuss. Debunking the north grassy knoll. Learning about the south grassy knoll. Seeing that there was a bullet hole in the windshield captured by Altgens. The most difficult is trying to reconcile the back wound and throat wound. It's all visual with three films for research. Will this forum continue to flounder in endless nonsense or really earn their kudos for such an active board. That's up to you guys.

Gee wow Rob, I'm sooo glad you joint our lowly forum but tell me, how can someone of your extreme high intellect stand to be surrounded by lowly pleb members like us who "flounder in endless nonsense" all day long?

 rofl3 What a cop off!!   rofl


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Rob, you have read lots of books haven't you? Ive read alot of them myself. Mostly the kooky Cter ones. The problem with books on JFKs assassination, are there are TOO MANY out there...and relatively FEW that stick to what is known. People who have written highly speculative books, like Barr McClellan, Lifton and a few others are taking THEIR stab at it, and often times serve to confuse the matter entirely. More than likely with people like yourself, Im wasting my time trying to explain the flaws in these books theories. It seems these days in America's "National Enquireisms" news need, the sensational OFTEN wins out over the researched and practical.  


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I haven't read a single jfk book.

Your posts reflect exactly that.


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Hey all,

First post!

I've been interested in the JFK event for the last few years but this is my first venture onto the forums. The reason I have never done so before was because I figured that anyone who knows anything about the case already knows it was a conspiracy and anyone who doesn't know it was a conspiracy doesn't know enough about the case. Either way, what's to be gained?

However, curiosity has finally got the better of me so I'm interested active members of this community what still interests them about this case and what they are hoping to gain by continuing the examine the evidence.

Edit: Only "active members" who do not support the Lone Gunman theory - spare me your ignorance, please!



Welcome Paul... 

While I can appreciate your conclusion about a conspiracy... what we'd like to know here is WHAT brings you to that conclusion?  I mean, you and I know Mt Everest is there... we take it on faith based on all that we have been told that indeed, there is a Mt Everest and it is indeed the tallest mountain on earth...  Unless you go and see it first hand, you have to take it on faith...  Good faith, no doubt, but faith, none the less...

Those of us here who agree with your conclusion still prefer to question this conclusion thru an in-depth analysis of the data, evidence etc... and thru conversations with those who have their own areas of expertise...  it becomes tangible, like viewing Everest even from afar.  Gives one hope that what we believe is not all smoke and mirrors.

If you've spent anytime tracing any of the so called "evidence" you begin to see that ALL OF IT is suspect, has breaks in custody and are hardly considered authenticated evidence ready to be accepted by a court of law... in fact most evidence in this case does not have a prayer of EVER being accepted as evidence by any entity but the US Governmental investigative agencies...

The rhetoric and passions related to this question are akin to "Does God exist?"  We can make compelling arguments on both sides and still can't be sure and must rely on Faith.

As more and more action of the 50's and 60's comes to light, the American People can finally start catching up to what the rest of the world understands... "no matter how paranoid you are, what the governement is ACTUALLY doing is worse than you can imagine"
and with this knowledge, maybe we will be a bit less likely to just go along for the ride, ala Iraq...  we KNEW Bush lied, Powell lied, we KNEW IT... and still could do nothing to stop it...

When the common man on the street is exposed to this horror, they simply shrink to it...  simply too much to let go of in the core beliefs of those who govern us....  so they refute it...

Small minds cannot wrap themselves around actions of our own governement, purpetrated by PEOPLE, fallible people... that result in such atrocities. 
All hope is lost at that point, except for the belief that "WE THE PEOPLE" might stand a chance of exposing these atrocities and changing them...  the slow turn of democracy...

The WCR is an example of Government secrecy and betrayal at its best...  the more this is exposed, the more it is understood, the less likely it might happen the next time...

Fonzi - the Last Investigation:          
             "My initial feeling," Salandria said when I spoke with him, "was that if this were a simple assassination, as the Commission claimed, the facts would come together very neatly. 
If there were more than one assassin, the details would not fit."

            "I'm afraid we were misled," Salandria said sadly.  "All the critics, myself included, were misled very early.  I see that now.  We spent too much time and effort micro-analyzing the details of the assassination when all the time it was obvious, it was blatantly obvious that it was a conspiracy.  Don't you think that the men who killed Kennedy had the means to do it in the most sophisticated and subtle way?  They chose not to.  Instead, they picked the shooting gallery that was Dealey Plaza and did it in the most barbarous and openly arrogant manner.  The cover story was transparent and designed not to hold, to fall apart at the slightest scrutiny.  The forces that killed Kennedy wanted the message clear:  'We are in control and no one -- not the President, nor Congress, nor any elected official -- no one can do anything about it.'  It was a message to the people that their government was powerless.  And the people eventually got the message.  Consider what has happened since the Kennedy assassination.  People see government today as unresponsive to their needs, yet the budget and power of the military and intelligence establishment have increased tremendously.

            "The tyranny of power is here.  Current events tell us that those who killed Kennedy can only perpetuate their power by* promoting social upheaval both at home and abroad.  And that will lead not to revolution but to repression.  I suggest to you, my friend, that the interests of those who killed Kennedy now transcend national boundaries and national priorities.  No doubt we  are dealing now with an international conspiracy.  We must face that fact -- and not waste any more time micro-analyzing the evidence.  That's exactly what they want us to do.  They have kept us busy for so long.  And I will bet, buddy, that is what will happen to youThey'll keep you very, very busy and, eventually, they'll wear you down."


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