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 August 06, 2011, 08:16:10 PM
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Hey all,
First post!
I've been interested in the JFK event for the last few years but this is my first venture onto the forums. The reason I have never done so before was because I figured that anyone who knows anything about the case already knows it was a conspiracy and anyone who doesn't know it was a conspiracy doesn't know enough about the case. Either way, what's to be gained?
However, curiosity has finally got the better of me so I'm interested active members of this community what still interests them about this case and what they are hoping to gain by continuing the examine the evidence.
Edit: Only "active members" who do not support the Lone Gunman theory - spare me your ignorance, please!
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August 06, 2011, 08:52:41 PM
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Hey all,
First post!
I've been interested in the JFK event for the last few years but this is my first venture onto the forums. The reason I have never done so before was because I figured that anyone who knows anything about the case already knows it was a conspiracy and anyone who doesn't know it was a conspiracy doesn't know enough about the case. Either way, what's to be gained?
However, curiosity has finally got the better of me so I'm interested active members of this community what still interests them about this case and what they are hoping to gain by continuing the examine the evidence.
Edit: Only "active members" who do not support the Lone Gunman theory - spare me your ignorance, please!
We are constantly making new discoveries and finding new evidence or evidence which was covered up. We have had several controversies which were resolved by new information coming out. Sometimes new technology will allow us to study things in ways we could not have done before. Just recently someone made a GIF showing what images are being reflected by the trunk of the limo. Some of us are working on new maps and diagrams.
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August 06, 2011, 09:11:51 PM
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We are constantly making new discoveries and finding new evidence or evidence which was covered up.
We have had several controversies which were resolved by new information coming out. Sometimes new technology will allow us to study things in ways we could not have done before.
Just recently someone made a GIF showing what images are being reflected by the trunk of the limo. Some of us are working on new maps and diagrams.
Thanks for your reply. :) After having a brief look around the site I can see some of the hard work that goes into this and the quality of some of it is very impressive. I'm still a little confused as to the underlying motivation though. The conspiracy has already been proven in the broadest sense, why now - almost 50 years after the fact - focus on the minutia? I'm not trying to be facetious here, if someone could tell me what is to be gained from looking at this event in much detail when the general pattern is already clear then I would be very interested to hear more. If you would allow me to make it more personal, I assume you believe there was a conspiracy (of some form) to kill JFK - how much more detail of that conspiracy do you think needs to be known and for what ultimate purpose? The best motive I can think is that some people are trying to preserve some of these pieces of evidence for history - so the people of the future can better understand the events of that time - might this be accurate?
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August 06, 2011, 09:19:37 PM
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Thanks for your reply. :)
After having a brief look around the site I can see some of the hard work that goes into this and the quality of some of it is very impressive. I'm still a little confused as to the underlying motivation though. The conspiracy has already been proven in the broadest sense, why now - almost 50 years after the fact - focus on the minutia?
I'm not trying to be facetious here, if someone could tell me what is to be gained from looking at this event in much detail when the general pattern is already clear then I would be very interested to hear more.
If you would allow me to make it more personal, I assume you believe there was a conspiracy (of some form) to kill JFK - how much more detail of that conspiracy do you think needs to be known and for what ultimate purpose?
The best motive I can think is that some people are trying to preserve some of these pieces of evidence for history - so the people of the future can better understand the events of that time - might this be accurate?
I don't think anyone will be brought to justice. But I think we have the right to know our history, to know the facts. The HSCA was able to uncover the details of the acoustical evidence and as a result proved that it was a conspiracy. But the government is still wirhholding some of the information about the acoustics which would allow us to learn more about exactly how many shots there were and exactly where each was fired from. BTW, we ARE the people of the future. We are entitled to the evidence now.
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August 06, 2011, 09:44:37 PM
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Thanks again for your reply and continuing to indulge my curiosity :) Unfortunately, you haven't really answered my question. I don't see why: exactly how many shots there were and exactly where each was fired from.
is all that important. BTW, we ARE the people of the future. We are entitled to the evidence now.
I'm not sure I understand what "entitled" even means in this context, but it still begs the question "what more evidence do they need and why?". Ultimately, if evidence is simply something we use to support or refute a theory - then I guess I'm asking what theory are you currently trying to support or refute? The theory "There was no conspiracy involved in the death of JFK" has already been successfully refuted and requires no further evidence (especially given the timescale and law of diminishing returns). The theory "Governments lie to their people about significant events and cover up important facts" could be made more relevantly with regard to evidence about the lead up to the war in Iraq and the fabricated justifications thereof. Or maybe you're not working on any theory at all? Maybe you're all just collecting specific points of data to be used by others in the context of their own theories?
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August 06, 2011, 10:07:06 PM
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Truth and justice is to be gained!
a super high secret military operation was taking place in dealey! a military styled ambush, a coupe de tate!
not some lonely kid, making buck twenty five and hour, with a bottle of coke, perched up in some building made some remarkable shots, and evade detection.
this is the very heart of the matter! when is truth and justice no longer important!
when your world and security depends on it!
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August 06, 2011, 10:08:50 PM
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Thanks again for your reply and continuing to indulge my curiosity :)
Unfortunately, you haven't really answered my question. I don't see why:
is all that important.
I'm not sure I understand what "entitled" even means in this context, but it still begs the question "what more evidence do they need and why?".
Ultimately, if evidence is simply something we use to support or refute a theory - then I guess I'm asking what theory are you currently trying to support or refute?
The theory "There was no conspiracy involved in the death of JFK" has already been successfully refuted and requires no further evidence (especially given the timescale and law of diminishing returns).
The theory "Governments lie to their people about significant events and cover up important facts" could be made more relevantly with regard to evidence about the lead up to the war in Iraq and the fabricated justifications thereof.
Or maybe you're not working on any theory at all? Maybe you're all just collecting specific points of data to be used by others in the context of their own theories?
Entitled by our rights. Freedom of information. We need the evidence that the government continues to illegally withhold. Just proving that there was a conspiracy does not flesh out who did it and why. I have several theories. I have discussed some here. And I have given lectures and written articles about others. Some I have never discussed. I am continually looking for new information and sometimes by just sheer luck or perseverance stumble on things. Did you ever hear of the word serendipity? I especially appreciate when other researchers bring up new ideas and data. I like seeing something I had never heard about before.
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August 07, 2011, 01:58:36 AM
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Thanks again for your reply and continuing to indulge my curiosity :)
Unfortunately, you haven't really answered my question. I don't see why:
is all that important.
I'm not sure I understand what "entitled" even means in this context, but it still begs the question "what more evidence do they need and why?".
Ultimately, if evidence is simply something we use to support or refute a theory - then I guess I'm asking what theory are you currently trying to support or refute?
The theory "There was no conspiracy involved in the death of JFK" has already been successfully refuted and requires no further evidence (especially given the timescale and law of diminishing returns).
The theory "Governments lie to their people about significant events and cover up important facts" could be made more relevantly with regard to evidence about the lead up to the war in Iraq and the fabricated justifications thereof.
Or maybe you're not working on any theory at all? Maybe you're all just collecting specific points of data to be used by others in the context of their own theories?
If your so sure there was a conspiracy why dont you tell us the answers to the above? If you cant then you obviously dont know very much and cant possibly KNOW there was a conspricy. Or are you yet another one who "knows" there was a conspricy because Oliver Stone said so. LOL
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August 07, 2011, 02:11:59 AM
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We are constantly making new discoveries and finding new evidence or evidence which was covered up.
We have had several controversies which were resolved by new information coming out. Sometimes new technology will allow us to study things in ways we could not have done before.
Just recently someone made a GIF showing what images are being reflected by the trunk of the limo. Some of us are working on new maps and diagrams.
CTers have been making new and exciting breakthroughs each year, for the last 47 years. They will continue to do so for many decades, perhaps, may centuries, to come. Certainly, for as long as people are interested in this case. Continuous breakthroughs is a sure sign of bogus breakthroughs. Even if they had the truth on their side, they wouldn't be able to discover new legitimate reasons to believe in a conspiracy in the JFK case, year after year after year. And believe me, if I am right about anything it will be the unending startling new revelations which will continue, likely with increasing volume, over the next several decades.
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August 07, 2011, 02:14:25 AM
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Edit: Only "active members" who do not support the Lone Gunman theory - spare me your ignorance, please!
How can CTers be credible when so many of them believe Adams and Styles disprove Oswald came down the stairs?
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August 07, 2011, 02:41:50 AM
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If your so sure there was a conspiracy why dont you tell us the answers to the above? If you cant then you obviously dont know very much and cant possibly KNOW there was a conspricy. Or are you yet another one who "knows" there was a conspricy because Oliver Stone said so. LOL
Thanks for your reply - though I detected a note of hostility in it, perhaps I'm mistaken? I think it was your amusement at your own suppositions that I found a tad creepy. Anyway, moving on... Unfortunately, you appear to have failed to read or understand my posts; theories, such as the ones I was postulating, don't have "answers" they are merely supported by facts or they are not. As I tried to explain in my OP, since the theory of a "conspiracy (in some form) to kill JFK" already has numerous facts to support it, I was wondering what motivated people on here to continue to gather more. Without wishing to get too bogged down in epistemology, I 'know' that there was a conspiracy in the same way that I 'know' that species evolve through natural selection - both are logically consistent theories supported by tangible evidence. If you have an alternative way of "knowing" things (as your statements suggest) then I'd love to hear more about it, should you be willing to share. Anyway, I'm not sure how else to respond to your post - such as it is. Perhaps you'd like to try again in responding to my original inquiry with something of insight..? (spell check would be nice too!) PS, self-LOLing is annoying when teenagers do it, when middle-agers do it it's kinda tragic. Jus' sayin'.
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August 07, 2011, 02:49:49 AM
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Edit: Only "active members" who do not support the Lone Gunman theory - spare me your ignorance, please!
People who push propaganda always do the same thing. They always say, there is nothing to thing about, the truth is obviously on our side. Your saying the truth is obvious is a ploy to stop people from thinking, to not stop and listen to the other side. I'm sorry, I'm not going to take your advice. I'm going to continue to trust my own judgment. And I'm certainly not going to take the advice of someone who seems to have stopped thinking for himself.
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