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 August 01, 2011, 03:09:05 PM
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I have seen HUNDREDS of claims that the motorcade route was published on 11/19/63 but have found ZERO evidence of it.  Does anyone have anything? 
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August 02, 2011, 02:50:39 AM
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I have seen HUNDREDS of claims that the motorcade route was published on 11/19/63 but have found ZERO evidence of it. Does anyone have anything? Fair enough. Maybe you think the Warren Commission was equal to the KGB in its abilities to manufacture evidence and so they went back in time and mass produced phony versions of the Dallas Times Herald on 11/19/63 publishing the motorcade route. As a guest, you are not allowed to view links.
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August 02, 2011, 02:54:33 AM
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It is strange that this was the ONLY evidence that such a publication ever existed.
I have been suspicious about this McAdams character for some time. He seems to spread misinformation on purpose.
Not sure what you mean. Are you saying that Google is the only place left to find evidence? Are you saying that you can not trust anything which was printed in the Warren Commission volumes? Are you saying that no Texans still have copies of the day's newspaper? Gary Mack probably still has them under glass at the Sixth Floor Museum. Yes, McAdams is a professional disinformation specialist. But he is not perfect. Even he slips up some times and accidentally tells the truth.
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August 02, 2011, 03:03:19 AM
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But are there ANY other sources that confirm that the route was published on 11/19/63? I couldn't care LESS about the route being "changed" BTW. It is irrelevant.  I am not sure about the character of your question. Do you mean that you don't like the Dallas Times Herald and want to see it published in the Beijing Times? I don't see why a foreign newspaper would be interested in publishing the Dallas motorcade route. How many Chinese spectators were they expecting? Maybe you prefer the Dallas Morning News. That's ok, but they were caught flatfooted and didn't get the leak in time to publish it in the morning paper. Or do you mean that you don't like the shortness of the DTH listing of the streets. Or is it the map you are really complaining about that it was too small to see the details? What is your objection to what the Dallas Times Herald published on 11/29/63? Or are you complaining that none of those hundreds of articles bothered to actually show you a scan or the newspaper? That is a valid point and leads to the inevitable conclusion that you need to start visiting more reputable web sites.
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August 02, 2011, 03:06:16 AM
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Fair enough. Maybe you think the Warren Commission was equal to the KGB in its abilities to manufacture evidence and so they went back in time and mass produced phony versions of the Dallas Times Herald on 11/19/63 publishing the motorcade route. As a guest, you are not allowed to view links.
Register or LoginDid I say that I "thought the WC" could do ANYTHING? So why would you put those words in my mouth? Your attitude makes you come across like Barney Fife. 
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August 02, 2011, 03:35:32 AM
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Are you referring to a change to INCLUDE the turn onto Houston as opposed to consructing a ramp to allow the motorcade to use Main to det to the Stemmons?
I don't know that there was a change.. pretty sure there was aloways a turn onto Houston and Elm...
and since the LNers believe Oswald was such a great shot... how hard would it be for Oswald to hit JFK rolling doen Main at 3-5 MPH as opposed to Elm?
Something you may care about:
The Secret Service completely rearranging the motorcade at Love Field... putting the press and JFK's physician at the back...
any explanation ?
More important question was WHAT TIME DID OSWALD THINK THE MOTORCADE WAS PASSING? and WHY?
If he was a lone nut, how did he know the limo would be so late?? according to the paper, AF-1 arrives at 11:30 with JFK arriving at the Trade Mart at 12:15
According to the VIP invitations... the Luncheon was starting at NOON...
What would make Oswald believe the motorcade was coming by 20 minutes late so that he could still be on the 1st/2nd floor as late as 12:15??
While men with rifles are seen on the 6th floor also at 12:15???
Welcome to the forum Adam...
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Not quite. The motorcade route was not changed. It had not been finalized until November 17th. They decided the turn onto Houston and then Elm would be more attractive than going all the way down to Industrial Blvd. That was not a security decision. It was aesthetics. The luncheon was not scheduled to start at noon. The luncheon would start after JFK gave his speech. No eating during the lecture please. That's just plain rude. The motorcade was not 20 minutes late. Why would anyone think the motorcade would be on time? Are the assassins going to get bored waiting so long and give up and go home? If you know your flight is scheduled to leave at 12:15 do you get to the airport at 12:30? Was it the Secret Service all by itself which modified the positions of the vehicles and who was in them? Not quite. All night the night before and even that morning there was a big argument about who would ride with whom. Obviously the Secret Service did not want LBJ riding in the same car with Kennedy in case someone blew up the car and decapitated the government. But other changes were minor and happened just before the motorcade. The official WH photographer was kicked out of the SS car to make room for the two Presidential aides, one of whom was taking film of the motorcade. The press was not put in the back. They were put in the middle. They often were put in front of the limo.
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August 02, 2011, 03:36:51 AM
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Not sure what you mean. Are you saying that Google is the only place left to find evidence? Are you saying that you can not trust anything which was printed in the Warren Commission volumes?
Are you saying that no Texans still have copies of the day's newspaper? Gary Mack probably still has them under glass at the Sixth Floor Museum.
Yes, McAdams is a professional disinformation specialist. But he is not perfect. Even he slips up some times and accidentally tells the truth.
Are you saying that you have seen the newspaper, or know a Texan that has one? Seriously, is that what you are saying? 
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August 02, 2011, 03:42:54 AM
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A lot to think about from you guys, thanks.
I am as concerned about how Oswald suddenly became so competent, as you are.
My focus right now, though, is on WHEN Oswald knew JFK was passing by his building. It seems strange that they would publish his exact route this far in advance, and there seems to be almost NO evidence that they did.
Buell Frazier's story hinges on this fact.
My question is what difference does it make what Oswald knew if he had nothing to do with the shooting? You are putting the cart before the horse. And again you move the goal post. How far in advance do you want them to publish the motorcade route? Even before the route was selected? It was published in the local newspapers soon after it was finalized. What do you find wrong with that?
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August 02, 2011, 03:46:03 AM
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My question is what difference does it make what Oswald knew if he had nothing to do with the shooting? You are putting the cart before the horse.
And again you move the goal post. How far in advance do you want them to publish the motorcade route? Even before the route was selected? It was published in the local newspapers soon after it was finalized. What do you find wrong with that?
I never said Oswald had nothing to do with the shooting, did I? I questioned Buell Frazier's story about "curtain rods" on Thursday afternoon.
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August 02, 2011, 03:49:56 AM
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My question is what difference does it make what Oswald knew if he had nothing to do with the shooting? You are putting the cart before the horse.
And again you move the goal post. How far in advance do you want them to publish the motorcade route? Even before the route was selected? It was published in the local newspapers soon after it was finalized. What do you find wrong with that?
From all of your research on this case, do you feel Oswald was competent enough to pull all of this off, COMPLETELY alone? Just in your OPINION. 
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August 02, 2011, 03:50:44 AM
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I am actually surprised that I am not being hammered on this.
I expected to be handed my own ass immediately after posing the question, but I guess it must really have some validity.
No, it doesn't. We're just trying to figure out WHY you are asking that particular question. Is it because: A. You never saw the newspaper before? B. You doubted the McAdams web site. C. You have some problem with the way the newspapers announced the route? D. You're just a troll and want to start pointless arguments?
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August 02, 2011, 03:55:32 AM
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Did I say that I "thought the WC" could do ANYTHING? So why would you put those words in my mouth? Your attitude makes you come across like Barney Fife. Then what problem did you have with the Warren Commission exhibit which actually published the newspaper which you said you couldn't find? Do you mean you want to have your own paper copy in your own hands to read it for yourself to make sure that's really what they published? That could be arranged if you have the big bucks. Or are you just a troll trying to start pointless arguments?
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August 02, 2011, 03:58:35 AM
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Are you saying that you have seen the newspaper, or know a Texan that has one? Seriously, is that what you are saying? Are you saying that you can't understand simple English? I suggested where you could find an original copy if you were interested in doing that. Also the Dallas Public Library. Also the National Archives. Also private collectors. I do not have to see the original in order to believe that the scan is accurate.
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