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 March 15, 2009, 09:17:05 PM
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Last night I read the chapter in High Treason by Groden and Livingstone on the backyard photos.
It seems to me, on simple comparison of the backyard photos with the mug shot of Oswald, that the backyard photos must be faked.
The reason is the chin/jaw doesn't match up at all.
In the mug shot of Oswald, Oswald's chin compared to his face comes to a relatively narrow "point."
As in \_/, or almost \/
However, in the "backyard" photos, the jaw/chin is much wider and the face looks more like this \__/
The face of Oswald above the chin has been superimposed over someone else's body up to and including their chin.
Today, there are software programs which are used to detect people in places where it is feard that they may do harm, and was are called
facial recognition software. I suspect it would be simple matter to compare the face of Oswald in the mug shot with the "face" of Oswald in the backyard photos, and to see that they don't match, "scientifically." However, I don't have the funds or the knowledge of how to do that. However, someone who has or uses facial recognition software could do it instantly, I assume. And, they would verify what anyone can see simply by comparing the two photos.
Also, in the High Treason book, it says that if you look at a several-generation copy of the CE133A, backyard photo, that you can actually see the line where Oswald's face begins. The book says, "The crop line in the chin becomes more evident in successive generations of the photos."
Another question I might ask is whether the chins are the same in all 3 backyard photos 133A, 133B and 133C.
There is another problem perhaps with the shadow under the nose. The shadow under the nose and in the mustache area is neat and narrow. It would be formed by taking a photograph of someone at about noon (or whenever the sun is high in the sky, perhaps highest in the sky) and with Oswald facing in the direction of the sunlight. However, according to Marina, the photos were taken much later in the afternoon.
Here are some further comments from Michael Griffith:
Let us detail some of the more serious shadow problems
in the backyard pictures:
The nose and eye shadows fall straight down. In fact, the nose
shadow forms a nearly perfect V-shape as it falls straight down.
The position of the nose and eye shadows indicates that the sun
was directly above and slightly in front of the head. In other
words, the nose and eye shadows were caused by the sun at
around noon time. Yet, the body shadows in 133-A and C fall at a
ten o'clock angle, indicating that the body in these pictures was
photographed much later in the day, at around 4:00 or 4:30.
Furthermore, the nose shadow remains the same in all the
snapshots, even though the head is tilted in at least one of the
them. This is a photographic impossibility. Additionally, since
the nose and eye shadows fall straight down and hence indicate a
sun directly above, both sides of the neck should be in shadow.
However, although the right side of neck is almost totally in
shadow, only about half of the left side of the neck is in
shadow.
* Why were the clothes shown on the figure in the backyard photos
never found among Oswald's possessions?
* Why was Oswald never known to have worn the watch that is on
the figure's left wrist?
* How could the photos be three different pictures when various
shadows and patches of light in the background remain in the same
position and/or retain the same form?
Mike Griffith
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March 16, 2009, 10:40:44 PM
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Marina Oswald admitted to taking the pics, end of story.
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March 16, 2009, 11:10:32 PM
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David, i agree.
There a many issues in this photographs.
The chin/jaw is one point and particular the shadows, to me is the cornerstone of a fakery proof.
I've attached at first a comparison of one backyard face and a photo taken after the arrest.
Good to compare the chin's.
And second a GIF shows Oswald's head of all three backyard photographs CE-133 A,B&C.
Looks like Oswald was a kind of head transformer during that session. shock2
Bill, if you believe every single witness report you're going mad.
I concentrate on photographic evidence. That's proveable.
Martin
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March 17, 2009, 03:50:18 AM
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As for the face in the 3 backyard photos, I wouldn't even believe it to be the same face of the same person, in all 3 photos, unless I had been told by someone that this is Oswald. Someone I think put Oswald's head on a body, and from photo to photo, the head-size to body-size,
and the head-size to the chin-width-size are different.
In 133C, the head seems fatter.
anyone use "facial recognition software" and able to immediately look and see how the software does at matching those images?
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August 01, 2009, 11:59:46 PM
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Marina Oswald admitted to taking the pics, end of story.
What a statement! My judging towards your person is updated. Martin
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August 02, 2009, 11:35:31 AM
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Each of the 22 experts in photography and photogeommentry on the HSCA verified and authenticated the backyard photographs. Are you saying Marina was part of some vast conspiracy? As a guest, you are not allowed to view links.
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August 02, 2009, 01:03:29 PM
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Martin, despite the authentication of the by photos by the HSCA and its experts....and despite the fact if the by photos were altered/tampered this would mean Marina Oswald was part of this conspiracy you speak of you STILL believe this? Despite the fact Oswald during his interrogation intentionally omitted the Nealy address where the by photos were taken? You appear to be an intelligent person Martin. Does this truly sound credible to you?
Martin is no doubt a very intelligent person. I wish all CTers were as logical in their way of thinking as Martin is. I'm saddened that he no longer considers me a friend of his, in relation to this forum. Paul, I think (but I could be mistaken) it has been said in a previous post that there was also a time that Marina denied taking the photos. I guess it's a matter of choosing which of Marina's words to believe, as they are obviously 2 very opposite statements.
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Martin, despite the authentication of the by photos by the HSCA and its experts....and despite the fact if the by photos were altered/tampered this would mean Marina Oswald was part of this conspiracy you speak of you STILL believe this? Despite the fact Oswald during his interrogation intentionally omitted the Nealy address where the by photos were taken? You appear to be an intelligent person Martin. Does this truly sound credible to you?
Martin is no doubt a very intelligent person. I wish all CTers were as logical in their way of thinking as Martin is. I'm saddened that he no longer considers me a friend of his, in relation to this forum. Paul, I think (but I could be mistaken) it has been said in a previous post that there was also a time that Marina denied taking the photos. I guess it's a matter of choosing which of Marina's words to believe, as they are obviously 2 very opposite statements. Bill, please provide citation for Marina stating she never took the backyard photos. I have personally never heard this in 40 + years of researching this case.
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August 02, 2009, 02:17:32 PM
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Martin, despite the authentication of the by photos by the HSCA and its experts....and despite the fact if the by photos were altered/tampered this would mean Marina Oswald was part of this conspiracy you speak of you STILL believe this? Despite the fact Oswald during his interrogation intentionally omitted the Nealy address where the by photos were taken? You appear to be an intelligent person Martin. Does this truly sound credible to you?
Paul, Marina was brainwashed fom the WC staff over many weeks with the result, to be nothing but a puppet. BTW, it is 214 Neely Street and not Nealy. Paul, do believe every word what Marina said? Whats your take on this: <![CDATA[As a guest, you are not allowed to view links.
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